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Don't think that will go well in reality. Guys get 2-3 sorties/wk as it is right now, and that's the min they should get. Going to a 3 day schedule puts them at 2 best case (and more likely 1). Additionally, unless it's going to be no shit only 3 fly days/wk for the entire RF exercise, how does a SQ fill SOF, Top 3, VDO, etc. when a single body is now committed for 2.5 days (I'll assume debrief prep/execution is .5 days)? I don't think that will be as easy as some might think. Lastly, if you go to only 3 fly days/wk for the entire exercise, you've lost 4 vuls at minimum of what could be great training (assuming inputs above are taken into account). Other than the last week of AI phase (where the 3 day model exists), WIC does substantially more difficult scenarios with same day debrief/execution. RF should not reinvent the wheel/add another day for something that is not as complicated. The debrief problem can simply be solved by decreasing who can talk (mentioned above: link manager, ATC, etc. can shut the fuck up, they have nothing value added for the group at large), adhering to strict timelines, and accepting the fact a few MINOR things may left out in the quest for a timeline, BUT those minor things have zero impact on the overall LLs. For example, we spend about 3 times longer on a shot val than it should take...stop rewinding, stop standing up front and asking 6-9 repeat data questions trying to nats ass the perfect pairing...if you can't figure it out right away, then fucking pk miss it and move along, there's about a 95% chance that one Pk Miss does not alter the LLs that should come out of the mission. I think some bullshit pride thing drives a lot of shot val lengthening...don't get butt hurt if you get killed out when you may not have if another 45" was spent by Mig 1 tap dancing around. Do things like that and shot val gets much shorter, LLs still come out, but most importantly you have more time to develop/discuss those LL...the shot val should not take 85% of the debrief time. Edit: Provide enough ICADs machines that dudes have access pre-debrief to pre-pair shots. NE tried to do this the last time I was there, good idea, but they only had 2 computers available. If RF had about 5 computers to pre-pair, dudes could get their shit squared away prior, and the debrief takes much less time. Time spent pre-pairing is double time saved in the debrief.

This is correct. When I did my FC1 recently, 100% of the many ROTC cadets that were there were going to RPA's and they were happy about it because their other colleagues were being sent into non-flying related fields. If I was still in college I would never even consider ROTC based on that one fact alone. Instead, just apply to guard/reserve and get the plane and location you like.

Pile on to Smokin; Only let Tower, Departure/Arrival, Link-16, my brother's kids, etc talk in the debrief if there is something to actually talk about. If >80% success rate for your AOR just go find the flight(s) that were the problem and debrief them individually. Ive been in RF debriefs where I've had to leave for crew rest not even knowing if we "won" or not, let alone some form of a tactical lesson learned or how we'll win next time. But I knew that we nailed our taxi time and that we had 96.69% of players on the net. If Red has physical access to my MPC printer(s) then debrief SF and the contract security at RF-N building, not the MSN/CC in the mass debrief. Integration of the "fake-Flag" and the real Flag can't carry over. If I knew we had 69 TLAMs and CALCMs then I wouldn't rage into satan's asshole alone and unafraid so don't bitch when I don't ALR-abort and 4th-gen dies whole-sale. White force needs more authority/willingness to stop the paintrain of a barely-out-of-4FLUG MPC if it's going completely off track when an A1C doesn't pass a paragraph-long "note" regarding an Intel piece that changes the cluster-F'd vul of putting C-130s, B-52s, and other non-raptor formations well within MRIR of every SAM on the planet. Having the "academic situation" before the execution and debrief to save the entire vul from a complete waste of time to something we can learn from brings it out of Fraud Waste and Abuse land. Less players is great. Ability to threat react would be awesome Im 4th gen. I would learn a lot more from just watching the MPC, execution, and debrief than needlessly shoving every MDS the Air Force and our partners have to offer in the NTTR in a 1.5hr range time and losing whole-sale just because somebody thought we absolutely had to have a C-130 air drop on Stonewall at vul start with every 4.5Gen threat and medium range advance SAM on range awake. Dumb. And stop sending units to the Palace Station. Nobody likes that place.

FIFY.

Maybe they increased the size of the pool of eligible O-3s to include APZ cats several years on... Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums

If we are going to have IPOE DLOs for recce/PED players then we should provide reasonable time for IPOE. 1/2 hour prior to the vul for collect that we call IPOE is insufficient. Happy to work/fly a full day on the Saturday/Sunday prior to each week for pattern of life development (yes this requires $), and to get collect that (should) have been conducted years in advance. The "all the information required has been provided" game renders ISR contributions largely OBE when the sensors on our tac assets push. Good for demonstrating that ISR has a long way to go WRT integration? Yes, absolutely. Good for the warfighter's understanding of what ISR provides prior to night 1? Not at all. Good for exercising ISR processes and skills? Not under the current construct. A small investment here would pay huge dividends if we're serious about replacing the white card with real recce capes.

Get rid of half the white force, especially the "wing commander". He generates a bunch of useless PIA queep like the day before MSN/CC brief. Also, he has way too much power. How is it that some random O-6 can sit a squadron because they didn't show up for a practice brief when the MSN/CC cleared them off? 100% true story. Stop letting a dozen guys speak at the end of the brief and debrief. I got it, you have birds on your shoulders or you went to WIC when I was in elementary school, good for you, now sit down and stop talking. Info-aggressors - complete waste of manpower. If the bad guys are attending our briefings, the war is over anyway. Stop with the absurd scenarios. I get that if we train to harder missions than we'll execute in wartime, we stand a better chance of everyone coming home. But launching F-16 blk 40 units to do DCA against the hordes of Su's with better ECM pods than we have is absurd. In combat, we'd have FR busted like a big dog, retrograde as fast as possible, and let the patriots target them.

Great idea but.... Mission plan till crew rest, fly, get debrief ready until 4 hours until debrief, debrief for 8 hours. We know how this game works.

I know the 5ATZ guy in question. The AF finally got it right. Line number 1. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Seems to be true. I just learned that an old Academy squadron mate was picked up for Major on his 5 ABZ board. Sent from my iPad using Baseops Network Forums

Aggressiveness is exactly what the GFC and 3 letter agencies driving these COIN wars don't want. It's more important to them to not kill the wrong people or do something with 2nd/3rd order effects than it is to find, identify, and prosecute targets. Tactical patience is the buzz word of the day. Not only that but overreaching the level of approval for "immediate" CAS is just a standard. Do you really think that Infantry Captain on the ground is empowered to make the decision? Short of some they're in the wire!" Battle of Wanat type scenario he/she has to call mom for permission. The second you accept that and can push feed the quicker that process becomes, especially in a War that lacks the constant TOC porn of PGSS balloons those senior commanders grew up depending on to make decisions. Real war, real CAS, real phase lines, real threat... That will not be an issue. But for COIN fight, you're an ISR platform whether you like it or not. Along with that, since we only seem to have more issue getting actual ISR because there are only so many to go around, you increase the legitimacy for the need if this low cost strike aircraft can do that job for the 97% of the time where it's just boring holes in the sky waiting for the 911 call.