Vance 16-14

Guard c-17 Mach AFB

GUARD F-22 HAWAII

GUARD KC-135 SIOUX CITY, Iowa 

E-8 JOINT STARS ROBINS, GA

C-130j dyess, TX 

KC-135 Fairchild, WA 

T-6 FAIP VANCE, OK 

CV 22 Hurlburt, FL

C-17 Charleston AFB

KC135 Macdill Afb 

T-6 FAIP VANCE, OK

Singapore A380 

C-17 Dover AFB

KC-135 McConnell AFB

T-1 FAIP VANCE AFB 

AC-130j hurlburt, Florida

Ac-130j hurlburt, Florida 

F15c Kingsley field, or

 

So we're officially dropping the AC-J now.  Holy crap

2 hours ago, FlyinGrunt said:

So we're officially dropping the AC-J now.  Holy crap

I heard the first few rides in the school house focuses on unusual attitude recoveries...

Only one AD 11F drop. Interesting. Any SA on how many 38s were in 16-14 at Vance?

On August 27, 2016 at 1:49 AM, bobbylight said:

Lastly no RPA's will be given as second assignments to C17 pilots for the time being. 

Latest VML at TCM has at least one...also the crossflow is being discussed over in the "switching airframes" thread. 

...Back to the drops!

I've heard the F-22 pipeline is backed up 2-3 years?

2 hours ago, FishBowl said:

Only one AD 11F drop. Interesting. Any SA on how many 38s were in 16-14 at Vance?

There were 3 AD. The two T-6 FAIPs were husband/wife  -38 studs.

EN 16-08, anybody? I think their drop was this past Thursday night.

I've heard the F-22 pipeline is backed up 2-3 years?

False. They're rifling guys through so fast that there is a scary lack of experience in the squadrons.

This rumor you've heard is likely a mixup between F-22 bros and T-38A adversary air bros at the same base. If a UPT grad gets ADAIR, they will likely be in that sq for two years before F-22 transition. This doesn't mean the pipeline is backed up, it just means there are a lot of potential candidates for the Raptor program. It's incredibly competitive and great for the community to get the best of the best.

Latest VML at TCM has at least one...also the crossflow is being discussed over in the "switching airframes" thread. 

...Back to the drops!

This may be the wing planning for the worst, according to the AFPC RPA assignments guy, there will be no more crossflows or UPT directs unless something changes like a huge increase in CAPs.


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So, a recent Sheppard and IFF grad I know is being told he will be hanging out in the T-38 IFF squadron for 2-3 years to get an RTU slot for the F-22 he dropped on drop night.  How is my question false?

3 hours ago, MooseAg03 said:

 

This may be the wing planning for the worst, according to the AFPC RPA assignments guy, there will be no more crossflows or UPT directs unless something changes like a huge increase in CAPs.


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...or for the coming exodus of 18X folks in the next couple of years. Buddy of mine at Cannon said nearly all of the ones he knows plan to bail after their 6 years.

I do hope that I'm wrong, but I don't see a crossflow/UPT-direct ever truly going away, unfortunately (although we may be lucky enough to see them stop, for short periods at a time).

Edited September 3, 20169 yr by WheelsOff

35 minutes ago, WheelsOff said:

...or for the coming exodus of 18X folks in the next couple of years. Buddy of mine at Cannon said nearly all of the ones he knows plan to bail after their 6 years.

When did 18X start?  

Edit:  Nevermind... fine, I googled it.  Jan 2012.  T-minus 1.5 years or so until the sky falls in that community, too.

Edited September 3, 20169 yr by Champ Kind

...or for the coming exodus of 18X folks in the next couple of years. Buddy of mine at Cannon said nearly all of the ones he knows plan to bail after their 6 years.

I do hope that I'm wrong, but I don't see a crossflow/UPT-direct ever truly going away, unfortunately (although we may be lucky enough to see them stop, for short periods at a time).

True, they have no idea what percentage of retention they should plan for, I've asked them three times and gotten no answer as to what they're planning for. Dropping an RPA on this VML makes no sense to backfill a shortage that might happen in 2 years. URT and Holloman have ramped up production significantly, and some of us are being let go back into cockpits. I have a small bit of optimism that the next VML might see me escape RPAs. If not, add one more loss to the pilot exodus.

Not only will 18Xs be a problem in a few years, they aren't even thinking about Sensor Operator retention right now.

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I can't tell you what will happen in late 2018/2019 to the poor bastards stuck in drones, but my best guess rhymes with Lop Stoss.

I can't tell you what will happen either. Guineapig has ample reason to fear the worse. That being said, at a recent professional development day off from droning (read drinking and smoking cigars) the newer 18xers seemed quite content to continue to stay in the career field. Hopefully that echoes true for the foreseeable future. I'm done though. Peace Creech.

Are you pulling chocks or are you one of the lucky few getting orders back to real airplanes?

One of the lucky few... But as is true with most people getting those types of orders, it's a unique situation.

no offense but the drone bubbas that we've gotten to our squadron have ing sucked at flying and attitude  

Empirical examples?

Well, he said "no offense" which lies somewhere between "with all due respect" and academic non-attribution.
Sounds legit.

1 hour ago, BashiChuni said:

no offense but the drone bubbas that we've gotten to our squadron have ing sucked at flying and attitude  

I hope they were crushed by IPs on gradesheets and bros over a beer accordingly. I have no intention of rolling in to any flying squadron pretending my drone hours mean anything. Just happy to be going there dude.

Flying is a perishable skill. I know of Majs and Lt Cols who have washed out of PIT. When we look at their history, due to school, staff, AOC at the Academy, etc... In one case a dude hadn't flown a powered A/C in over 10 years. Now you take a dude with 200 hours who went UPT-RPA and I get it from an IP perspective.

As far as the attitude, if it is being pissed off at the AF for their grossly negligent personnel management... Got it, right there with you. If it is a woe as me, I don't deserve this, this flying sucks, I wish I was XYZ, then I have little sympathy really.

Just my perspective.

On 9/5/2016 at 8:57 PM, Switch408 said:

I hope they were crushed by IPs on gradesheets and bros over a beer accordingly. I have no intention of rolling in to any flying squadron pretending my drone hours mean anything. Just happy to be going there dude.

in progress for the crushing...

I hope they were crushed by IPs on gradesheets and bros over a beer accordingly. I have no intention of rolling in to any flying squadron pretending my drone hours mean anything. Just happy to be going there dude.

To be sure, drones stunted my my professional growth. However, when I was fortunate enough to go down range in the mighty viper after my stint in the black hole, the 1400 hours I spent watching Hajis through the Robot one-eye had some very transferable skill sets. I knew the capes of the droids which came in very handy while strike planning on the fly with the Jtac/Droid operator in dynamic situations. Also, when you watch the bad guy for the amount of time I did/ you have, you gain an intuition about bad-guy behaviors and can sift through the chaff of a civilian tending his goats vs ISIS trying to camo an arty piece in a water truck. Be grateful to return/go to a manned platform, but once you gain some experience in your new airframe, don't be afraid to share your experiences.

BL, don't sell yourself short and good luck.


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On drop night at UPT, do students find out their first base along with their aircraft assignment, or do they find out their base assignment during/after FTU?