I heard similar from someone high up at HAF. If you read the Senate markup you'll see that the Senate shot down the $48K because they didn't believe there was a retention problem.

Or is it that they don't think the money is the driving issue? I'm not sure how much the AF would have to shell out to even make a dent, but my guess is it would be considerable.

The AF has a leadership issue. Morale and retention are merely symptoms.


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26 minutes ago, Duck said:

Or is it that they don't think the money is the driving issue? I'm not sure how much the AF would have to shell out to even make a dent, but my guess is it would be considerable.

The AF has a leadership issue. Morale and retention are merely symptoms.


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To put up with the current and future leadership? A LOT

On ‎3‎/‎6‎/‎2017 at 6:32 PM, Duck said:

Or is it that they don't think the money is the driving issue? I'm not sure how much the AF would have to shell out to even make a dent, but my guess is it would be considerable.

The AF has a leadership issue. Morale and retention are merely symptoms.


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My estimate is also A LOT, 48K+ at least, maybe 60K.  It would have to be in that range for me to at least consider it.  It would have to be substantial in order for me to take that next PCS to somewhere I don't really care to live, do more paper work than I am already doing, and never see the inside of a cockpit for three years... because, you know, promotion and someone has to feed the machine...

 

They could pay me a lot less if I could stay where I am at and keep flying the mission and deploying every once in awhile (on a flying deployment).  I even considered staying in as an O-4 free agent (7 day opt on any PCS/365 non-flying deployment BS), which sounded like a possibility from my leadership, but they also said the AF would very likely (or could) fire me when I got passed over for O-5.  Good thing I know few other places that will pay a decent wage to fly and only fly.   

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Realize you'll make about $150k with middle of the road effort in year 3 at any of the major airlines. So a 60k bonus would be about even with that for a capt/maj with a lot more bullshit. 

If you have 1500 hours and an ATP you are a hot commodity these days. 

 

Dont sell yourself self short or undervalue you experience. 

14 hours ago, HossHarris said:

Realize you'll make about $150k with middle of the road effort in year 3 at any of the major airlines. So a 60k bonus would be about even with that for a capt/maj with a lot more bullshit. 

If you have 1500 hours and an ATP you are a hot commodity these days. 

 

Dont sell yourself self short or undervalue you experience. 

And what's next for Mr. Hoss?

I just retired at 20yrs and 3 days. 

If you run the numbers, you either have to get out at your first opportunity, at exactly 20 years, or stay in the af forever. Anywhere in between and you're losing money and opportunity. (Brs may change that calculus .... but doesn't effect me). 

 

I've said it before, but I'm nothing special (and many can vouch). I'm a viper guy with almost 3k hours. I've been hired by Sw, delta, and united and invited to interview with FedEx, aa, and a legit aviation mad scientist.  And I wasn't trying all that hard.  I will have my choice of employers once I wrap up my 4 months of terminal leave. 

Ymmv...have a plan and a backup plan...and don't undervalue your experience. 

3 hours ago, HossHarris said:

I just retired at 20yrs and 3 days. 

If you run the numbers, you either have to get out at your first opportunity, at exactly 20 years, or stay in the af forever. Anywhere in between and you're losing money and opportunity. (Brs may change that calculus .... but doesn't effect me). 

 

I've said it before, but I'm nothing special (and many can vouch). I'm a viper guy with almost 3k hours. I've been hired by Sw, delta, and united and invited to interview with FedEx, aa, and a legit aviation mad scientist.  And I wasn't trying all that hard.  I will have my choice of employers once I wrap up my 4 months of terminal leave. 

Ymmv...have a plan and a backup plan...and don't undervalue your experience. 

 

Me winning isn't. 

You do. 

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OT:  ART Bonus VALID!

Just wanted to update a sidebar from a few weeks ago - the 25% Bonus is a thing, and showed up in this week's LES.  (Voodoo math involved, YMMV by locale)

Looks like it's being applied differently in the ARC, and may take some time for full implementation, at least in AFRC...

Anyhoo, it's good to see Big Blue follow through on something with a tangible positive impact - $$$, but still long overdue.  Hope the AD folks get a similar boost soon.

Yep. I've been getting one for about 8 months now.

And oh by the way, it's not really getting a whole lot of people to stay. They're offering it one year at a time, which is nice. Honestly I wouldn't have taken it if it were any more commitment than that, but I was in the right place at the right time and wasn't quite ready to make the jump to the airlines. I won't sign another one.

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On 1/5/2017 at 5:27 PM, daynightindicator said:

Palace Chase:
Less than 6 mo ADSC - likely to be approved
6-12 - rare
More than 12 - very unlikely

Looking for any recent experience with fighters to heavies palace chase. Did you get 6 months approved? And is it typical to start the RTU immediately after separation or can it be delayed a few months? Lastly, any recent palace chase to fighter units getting approved for more than 6 months? Thanks.

Constant exercises, control exerted from on-high at a level far exceeding anything in ACC, and this strange commitment to forcing people to change platforms.  Pretty much none of my B-1 bros wanted to go fly a BUFF, resulting in an email to all B-1 aviators from the wing commander questioning our patriotism and loyalty.

Can we see said email?


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Heard a rumor today (allegedly from the lips of the AMC/CC) that FY17 ARP is going to be 35k for 11Fs, 34k for everyone else. Can't make this shit up.


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Any provision for people currently on the bonus to re-up to the new (admittedly pathetic) amount?

I recall people that signed the 5 year bonus were eligible to sign the 20 YAS bonus when it was newly offered.

4 hours ago, ihtfp06 said:

Heard a rumor today (allegedly from the lips of the AMC/CC) that FY17 ARP is going to be 35k for 11Fs, 34k for everyone else. Can't make this shit up.


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Hah! That's hilarious to take one last discriminative jab. Guess what? The airline bonus is well beyond that. 

$1k extra for a proclamed "national crisis".... nice.

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Hahahahaha

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8 hours ago, ihtfp06 said:

Heard a rumor today (allegedly from the lips of the AMC/CC) that FY17 ARP is going to be 35k for 11Fs, 34k for everyone else. Can't make this shit up.


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heard the same rumor

5 hours ago, Champ Kind said:

Any provision for people currently on the bonus to re-up to the new (admittedly pathetic) amount?

I recall people that signed the 5 year bonus were eligible to sign the 20 YAS bonus when it was newly offered.

That was only available to those who signed the 5-year bonus the previous year...

The guys who signed as early eligible, or whatever the exact term was, should be able to update to the new amount from what I remember of the wording.  If you were not that early eligible, I think you're stuck unless they change the verbiage in the new one. 

13 hours ago, Guardian said:

Can we see said email?


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This was almost two years ago when they first proposed the Striker Vista program.

Still no 12x bonus....yeah, yeah, I know...."shut up, nav!"

From what I heard they had to force people to do striker vista. If you have to force it then what's the point?


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1 hour ago, Guardian said:

From what I heard they had to force people to do striker vista. If you have to force it then what's the point?


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I think the real intent is to create the B-21 initial cadre and senior leadership.  All the bombers heretofore have been pretty stovepiped the last decade or so, sans the Buff to B-2 pipeline.  This gives a bit of a broader perspective for the new bomber. 

It's a Northrop product. It will be just the same as the B2 and fail to take advantage of 30 years worth of advances. Even back then Northrop didn't do a good job with their contracts. I don't think they have an ergonomic engineer in the whole company. It's a shame they won the competition just so the gov can avoid a Boeing Lockheed duapoly.


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6 hours ago, Gazmo said:

$1k extra for a proclamed "national crisis".... nice.

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If they do that it's an insult to everyone. I mean, just offer the most you can; things aren't going to get better. 

Apparently the RC AGR bonus will only go up to 30k. There was a push from some dipshit leaders at NGB to eliminate it totally, citing the idea that the "golden ticket" AGR positions didn't need a bonus. Funny, we've had two quit in the past 6 months for the airlines. Leadership: still fvcking clueless.