October 24, 20169 yr I'm in the middle of pilot training and have some downtime before my Phase 3 starts. What I'd like to do is do the Mil Comp commercial/instrument test solely to get my instrument add on so I can enjoy instrument flying during my down-time. However I am about 30 hours shy of the 200hr commercial requirement. The Part 61 verbage on mil comp requirements states that you need to have an instrument check and documentation of qualification in a military aircraft (e.g. T6 time) but makes no distinction on how to apply the equivalency testing towards only one rating (e.g. just the IR add on versus commercial/instrument simultaneously). I spoke to Sheppard Air but they wouldn't give me a straight answer and said to check with the FSDO. Waiting on FSDO response (I have never been surprised by a speedy response from the FAA) and hoping to get clarification. So ultimately the question is, can I take the commercial-instrument mil comp just to get the IR add on to my private, being that I am short of the commercial civilian hour requirement?
October 24, 20169 yr No. While you have passed the instrument check, there are two problems (notwithstanding your lack of hours): 1. You are not a military pilot. You are a student. No wings, not qualified. 2. Having T-6 time does not mean you are T-6 qualified. Having a T-6 Form 8 would show you are qualified. Purely my opinion. Call your FSDO for the answer that matters. Or just wait and get your wings. Edited October 24, 20169 yr by HuggyU2
October 24, 20169 yr Adding on that you are not a military pilot yet, legally. Literally thousands of students have done this before you. Upon graduation, you will get the appropriate paperwork to take to the FSDO (along with your Mil Comp exam certificate.) Let the process play out, moving at the speed of government.
October 25, 20169 yr Correct me if I'm off but doesn't something say that you can't pursue additional ratings while you're in UPT? You can fly just not pursue extra things.
October 25, 20169 yr Author 4 hours ago, HuggyU2 said: No. While you have passed the instrument check, there are two problems (notwithstanding your lack of hours): 1. You are not a military pilot. You are a student. No wings, not qualified. 2. Having T-6 time does not mean you are T-6 qualified. Having a T-6 Form 8 would show you are qualified. Purely my opinion. Call your FSDO for the answer that matters. Or just wait and get your wings. This is the clarity I was looking for. Thanks! Makes sense all around... Was just hoping to use new skills during downtime....but guess I'll have to sit tight.... Edited October 25, 20169 yr by SPAWNmaster
October 25, 20169 yr Correct me if I'm off but doesn't something say that you can't pursue additional ratings while you're in UPT? You can fly just not pursue extra things.Yep, here ya go. From the "how to run pilot training" reg AETCI 36-2605v46.14. Civilian Flight Training. To maintain the integrity of the AETC training system, students rated by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) (private pilot, commercial pilot, etc.) may fly civilian aircraft once they enter into UPT, but they may not pursue additional ratings or qualifications. Students not rated by the FAA will not fly civilian aircraft after entering into UPT.*edited to update proper title of the regSent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums
October 25, 20169 yr Author 3 minutes ago, Dapper Dan Man said: Yep, here ya go. From the "how to run pilot training" reg AETCI 36-2605v4 6.14. Civilian Flight Training. To maintain the integrity of the AETC training system, students rated by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) (private pilot, commercial pilot, etc.) may fly civilian aircraft once they enter into UPT, but they may not pursue additional ratings or qualifications. Students not rated by the FAA will not fly civilian aircraft after entering into UPT. *edited to update proper title of the reg Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums Appreciate the info. I just figured since I'm guard if I came off orders during these months off that I could get some good civilian flying in just for fun. Sounds like that's not possible as far as trying for the add-on though.
October 25, 20169 yr 1 hour ago, SPAWNmaster said: This is the clarity I was looking for. Thanks! Makes sense all around... Was just hoping to use new skills during downtime....but guess I'll have to sit tight.... go drink beer and chase women for crying out loud
October 25, 20169 yr 10 hours ago, SPAWNmaster said: Appreciate the info. I just figured since I'm guard if I came off orders during these months off that I could get some good civilian flying in just for fun. Sounds like that's not possible as far as trying for the add-on though. I realize that things may have changed in the years since I went to UPT, but how is that you have "months off" between phases?
October 25, 20169 yr Author 2 minutes ago, Spoo said: I realize that things may have changed in the years since I went to UPT, but how is that you have "months off" between phases? Rucker class date is later
October 25, 20169 yr 11 minutes ago, Spoo said: I realize that things may have changed in the years since I went to UPT,... Feeling "old", Spoo?? Welcome to the club.
October 25, 20169 yr Mrs. Spoo pointed out that the grays will soon overtake the brown and that I may be starting to thin a bit on top. Not a good week. Edited October 25, 20169 yr by Spoo
October 26, 20169 yr Just replace her with one that doesn't talk back like that, and you're GTG.Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums
October 26, 20169 yr On 10/25/2016 at 4:09 PM, Spoo said: Mrs. Spoo pointed out that the grays will soon overtake the brown and that I may be starting to thin a bit on top. Not a good week. My dad always told me you wait 'til she's forty, then trade her for 2 twenties.
October 27, 20169 yr 15 hours ago, pawnman said: My dad always told me you wait 'til she's forty, then trade her for 2 twenties. Dad never finished the story, which is that you lose 50% of the value (of your income) on each trade-in.
October 27, 20169 yr 19 hours ago, pawnman said: My dad always told me you wait 'til she's forty, then trade her for 2 twenties. I tried that line on my wife back when I was forty and she told me I was not wired for 220... Going on married year 37 now and not broke.
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