February 21, 20187 yr Corrosion is going to take out the BUFF, much like it’s taking out the KC-135. You can dump all the money into newer avionics, engines, etc, but you’ll never beat time with regard to airframe age.
February 21, 20187 yr 31 minutes ago, Azimuth said: Corrosion is going to take out the BUFF, much like it’s taking out the KC-135. You can dump all the money into newer avionics, engines, etc, but you’ll never beat time with regard to airframe age. /s of course
February 21, 20187 yr 4 hours ago, Azimuth said: Corrosion is going to take out the BUFF, much like it’s taking out the KC-135. You can dump all the money into newer avionics, engines, etc, but you’ll never beat time with regard to airframe age. Ship of Theseus with SLEP
February 22, 20187 yr 4 hours ago, LookieRookie said: Ship of Theseus with SLEP Ok, I’ll admit I had to look that one up. For those that don’t go to Wikipedia... Theseus's paradox, is a thought experiment that raises the question of whether an object that has had all of its components replaced remains fundamentally ugly. If you need a stand-off platform, just stop the weird skin and materials MX on the B-2. The RCS will still be better than the other bombers, it’s nuke capable, gets good gas mileage and is younger than some of the people who work on it. Edited February 22, 20187 yr by SuperWSO
February 22, 20187 yr As much as I love the Buff...I can't believe at some point we did not opt for relatively off the shelf modded out 757 or something similiar to be a cruise missile truck. The Navy kinda-sorta did it with turning a 737 into a P-8. Why not us?
February 22, 20187 yr As much as I love the Buff...I can't believe at some point we did not opt for relatively off the shelf modded out 757 or something similiar to be a cruise missile truck. The Navy kinda-sorta did it with turning a 737 into a P-8. Why not us?The Ghost of Curtis LeMay.
February 22, 20187 yr Wasnt there a program in the 70s or 80s that had the 747 basically being a cruise missile dump truck? With a good launch system I wonder how many missiles a 747-8 can carry? Probably between a ton and shitload. Edit: Cant say the word Duck Edited February 22, 20187 yr by Hodor
February 22, 20187 yr 5 hours ago, 08Dawg said: As much as I love the Buff...I can't believe at some point we did not opt for relatively off the shelf modded out 757 or something similiar to be a cruise missile truck. The Navy kinda-sorta did it with turning a 737 into a P-8. Why not us? Wouldn’t you be unemployed then?
February 22, 20187 yr 6 hours ago, ThreeHoler said: The Ghost of Curtis LeMay. Quoted for truth. From what I heard people say in certain STRATCOM/bomber command meetings I would've sworn there were times He had a seat at the table. Survivability = standoff > speed > stealth The price of admission to A2AD requires all of the above + (s) x (c)2 B-21 will be a formidable part of that equation...as will the BUFF that picks up the last B-21 crew after dropping off the last B-21 at AMARG. Edited February 22, 20187 yr by Learjetter Edit for verbiage
February 22, 20187 yr 10 hours ago, 08Dawg said: As much as I love the Buff...I can't believe at some point we did not opt for relatively off the shelf modded out 757 or something similiar to be a cruise missile truck. The Navy kinda-sorta did it with turning a 737 into a P-8. Why not us? Not the first time that was thought of.
February 22, 20187 yr On 2/21/2018 at 1:10 PM, Azimuth said: Corrosion is going to take out the BUFF, much like it’s taking out the KC-135. You can dump all the money into newer avionics, engines, etc, but you’ll never beat time with regard to airframe age. That's why God invented the CNC machine. I don't think there is much original sheetmetal or castings on a KC-135.
February 23, 20187 yr As much as I love the Buff...I can't believe at some point we did not opt for relatively off the shelf modded out 757 or something similiar to be a cruise missile truck. The Navy kinda-sorta did it with turning a 737 into a P-8. Why not us?Too smart not complicated enough
March 12, 20187 yr News update: B-21 is going to involve “complex trade-offs”. None of this is surprising until you figure out they are building what the article says is a 2 engine jet with less thrust, range and payload.
March 12, 20187 yr 30 minutes ago, SuperWSO said: News update: B-21 is going to involve “complex trade-offs”. None of this is surprising until you figure out they are building what the article says is a 2 engine jet with less thrust, range and payload. Inlet sizing is a big deal; that’s where Ben Rich initially made his money with Kelly Johnson on the U-2. But #notsurprised NG made a design/cost claim in bidding they hadn’t thought through and can’t back up.
March 12, 20187 yr 13 hours ago, SurelySerious said: But #notsurprised [insert company name here] made a design/cost claim in bidding they hadn’t thought through and can’t back up. SOP in the acquisition world. Get your foot in the door and watch cost/schedule grow while performance goes down. ATIS
March 12, 20187 yr News update: B-21 is going to involve “complex trade-offs”. None of this is surprising until you figure out they are building what the article says is a 2 engine jet with less thrust, range and payload. So... 5th gen F-111F then?
March 12, 20187 yr 11 minutes ago, Lawman said: So... 5th gen F-111F then? Yes, but subsonic, internal carriage only, so less capable.
March 12, 20187 yr Yes, but subsonic, internal carriage only, so less capable. Go home Air Force... you’re drunk. We shouldn’t really be surprised in the same military that thought the H-60 series of helicopter could replace and perform jobs done by significantly larger helicopters (SH-3, MH53, etc) and not lose anything in capability.
March 12, 20187 yr So... 5th gen F-111F then?Or a longer legged FB-22... if this is going to be twin engines and lower range go ahead and make an LO KC-21 with probe and drogue or an MQ-25 Stingray AR wingman
March 13, 20187 yr Yes, but subsonic, internal carriage only, so less capable. For all those times the external hard points were used on the B-1 (excluding the pod)?
March 13, 20187 yr 5 hours ago, ThreeHoler said: For all those times the external hard points were used on the B-1 (excluding the pod)? Comparison was to the F-111. If it can carry 24x JASSM or JDAM internally, I’ll withdraw that statement. If it is a 2 engine jet, it will probably carry less than the F-111.
March 13, 20187 yr On a related topic, has anyone heard back about this year's B-2 cross-flow results. I applied back in December and haven't heard anything since.
November 20, 20196 yr Aussie B-21s? https://www.forbes.com/sites/lorenthompson/2019/11/15/should-washington-sell-the-b-21-bomber-to-australia/#1a603c6134b0 https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/is-the-b-21-bomber-a-viable-option-for-australia/
November 20, 20196 yr 26 minutes ago, Clark Griswold said: Aussie B-21s? https://www.forbes.com/sites/lorenthompson/2019/11/15/should-washington-sell-the-b-21-bomber-to-australia/#1a603c6134b0 https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/is-the-b-21-bomber-a-viable-option-for-australia/ First question from skimming the article: Why did Australia have a beef with the Indonesians? 😂
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