FY 14 Force Management Program (RIF, VSP, TERA)

[TarHeelPilot]

Where you at Welsch?

It's "Welsh," and I'm certain many more than 2K applied for voluntary programs (O and E), out of the total force number you quote.

[stract]

Where you at Welsch?

For the love of God, it's really not that hard to spell the fucking CSAF's name right! W E L S H.

[TarHeelPilot]

"Cox said the Air Force has so far received a little more than 10,000 applications for early retirement"

That's TERA alone... from your favorite AF gossip magazine

[Karl Hungus]

Words

One of the better summaries to date.

AF "leadership" has really f-ed themselves on this one. The younger generations are paying very close attention to this debacle, and are planning accordingly. I don't know many folks in the 05-12 year groups who plan on staying past their commitment. That's not a good thing.

[panchbarnes]

Yup.

I have no dog in this fight (yet), but Big Blue has lost all credibility with me with the way they screwed over its people with the force management program.

These support organizations used to *try* to support the warfighters so they can focus on the mission. Nowadays, they don't seem to be even trying anymore. As a matter of fact, it's now the other way around. The warfighters supporting A1/FSS/AFPC, doing their work for them, and trying to execute the mission at the same time. This is just insane for a warfighting organization, and people in charge should be ashamed of themselves for not being held accountable. Instead of transparency, they've doubled-down and remained silent or continue to spin their screw ups. EVEN AFTER THE CSAF SENDS OUT A SERVICE-WIDE E-MAIL REMINDING US OF: INTEGRITY FIRST, SERVICE BEFORE SELF, AND EXCELLENCE IN ALL WE DO.

At a time when airmen are looking for guidance and vector (remember that?) from our "leaders" we get silence instead. At a time when the AF needs a culture change to address serious issues we get spins, unofficial suggestions, and cosmetic fixes instead.

Somebody (anybody!) from HAF/A1/AFPC please step up and own this mess. The taxpayers didn't pay you to go thru these fancy in-residence leadership/management schools and your nice salary (with the shiny ranks) for you to hide out in the comfort of your office. Your airmen are taking notes of your inaction.

Like I said, I have no dog in the FMP fight (yet), but I feel obligated to point out the facts (as I see them).

Sorry for the rambling.

Panch

Edited April 2, 2014 by PanchBarnes

[Fiver]

For the love of God, it's really not that hard to spell the ######ing CSAF's name right! W E L S H.

You're right corrections made; however, out of all the info in the post the only comment is on the spelling of Welsch's name? Welsh is a tough one; it would be easier if it were Nebuchadnezzar. You're destined for 0-6. Pull that TERA app!

Just kidding. I appreciate it, accept for the cussing at me about spelling errors. I am much better on a team than by myself.

Edited April 2, 2014 by Fiver

[FlyFastLiveSlow]

I called the TFSC and they sent an inquiry to the retirements section as to why notification didn't come out by the yesterday deadline. I got a BS answer of we'll hopefully notify MOST people in the next few days. It was a crap answer, but it was at least asked to the retirements office at AFPC. If you'd like to do something, call the TFSC and submit a status check. Hopefully they'll be flooded today.

[HeloDude]

For the love of God, it's really not that hard to spell the fucking CSAF's name right! W E L S H.

Just curious...how many times have you made these fantastic corrections (I'm recalling quite a few)? Does this mistake in particular really bother you that much or are you now BO's spell checker?

[Mountain]

...are you now BO's spell checker?

Actually, it's "BODN". Sorry, couldn't help myself.

[HeloDude]

Actually, it's "BODN". Sorry, couldn't help myself.

Touché!

[BitteEinBit]

It makes sense to me....deny TERA and VSP to those who actually want to get out so that I can get an extra year or two out of them before they get out anyway and then turn around and kick out those who want to stay so I can get my numbers to look good NOW. I'll worry about the pilot shortage when it gets here in a few years. I'll throw some money at it and people will stay because like that old saying, throwing money at a problem 100% of the time works 70%...of the...or...70% of the time...it works....well either way, I'm going to just throw money at it because it works.

Who the hell plans ahead for those kinds of things anyway!? We can always change the criteria to meet our objectives. All I care about is looking good NOW so I can guarantee myself my next promotion and job opportunity. A pilot shortage is only a pilot shortage if the numbers I produce say it is. All I have to do is change the numbers and BAM! No more pilot shortage. Look Boss...slides are green again!

Now , give me my fucking star!

[Mountain]

DoS of 31 Jul 14 just appeared on my CDB, along with a RNLTD of 1 Aug 2014 in the RESTRICTIONS section above it. It appears the cake may not be a lie!

BRB, gotta go run around the parking lot with my junk out.

[jstarsshag]

Core_Values_TriSig_Signed.pdf

[lossofclocklossofdata]

DoS of 31 Jul 14 just appeared on my CDB, along with a RNLTD of 1 Aug 2014 in the RESTRICTIONS section above it. It appears the cake may not be a lie!

BRB, gotta go run around the parking lot with my junk out.

Remind us again. TERA or VSP?

[Altus Barbarosa]

TERA approved gents! This time it's not TSgt Barbarosa!!

15.8yrs no adsc.

[Mountain]

Remind us again. TERA or VSP?

TERA

I'm a selectively continued major, 11R (U-2), '98, no QFRB. I'll be 16 yrs + 1 month in Aug.

Edited April 2, 2014 by Mountain

[Catbox]

Oh my god...things appear to be happening!

Same here Mountain...

12r, two adsc...15.5 mos on 31 jul

Ummm party in Vegas if this really happens?

[Crewdog135]

Same here. 98 continued Maj 11R (RC-135). It's on the CDB and vMPF shows a separation of 31 Jul 14 as well. Looks like it is happening.

[lossofclocklossofdata]

Maybe the TERA and VSP forum should part ways. Might have to start a tracker to keep track of who applied for what so I don't get a tingling in my loins every time a TERA gets approved.

[jackstone104]

So as far as I can tell we are still ZERO for ### dozen for VSP, right?

[Dagoden]

I'm happy things are happening and depressed at the same time because I'm not seeing changes yet! Come on, AFPC, keep it going!

[Catbox]

Mypers and email just updated with approved!

[Mountain]

Mypers and email just updated with approved!

Cool! Haven't gotten the email yet.

Edit: BAM! Just got it!

Edited April 2, 2014 by Mountain

[panchbarnes]

Congrats to the people who got approved. Good luck to the folks still waiting.

Thank you for your service. Your experience and knowledge will be sorely missed.

:beer:

Edited: Time for beer(s)

Edited April 2, 2014 by PanchBarnes

[Catbox]

Congrats to the people who got approved. Good luck to the folks still waiting.Thank you for your service. Your experience and knowledge will be sorely missed.

Thanks man, but now that it looks like I'm going to retire, I'm not going anywhere. I plan on coming thru the gate every morning at about 0715 and regaling the gate guard with long stories about my service overseas and lots and lots of questions and complaints about the pharmacy and PX.