Skitzo Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 Okay, well that's not bad if you are 200/200 then you don't probably need to be retained but if you are 9/9 well that math should be a little more fuzzy, when you compare the other 200. I like what Welsh is doing but I feel like they need to come up with a better answer. I remember in ROTC that the Commander's Ranking score dealt with the general population of the commissioning class. General Chang... in ROTC 1/3 in a year group did not equal 33/99... correct me if I am wrong, TMO screwed up and half of my stuff isn't even here...and I've had 4 beers... #Clovisrocks!
olevelo Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 CSAF was at Eglin today and he said the intent is to pretty much do all the cuts at once. He doesn't want folks to keep thinking "I wonder if this'll be the year...".
Cell Dweller Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 CSAF was at Eglin today and he said the intent is to pretty much do all the cuts at once. He doesn't want folks to keep thinking "I wonder if this'll be the year...". I've seen AFPC-sourced briefings say cuts are expected to be 25,000 in 18 months, versus the original announcement of 25K over 5 years. Cutting that many is not going to be pleasant either way, but AFPC will have to balance these years of dread with the impact of a once-time purge.
jj1492 Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 great thread. i gleaming more information on this board than i have seen from AFPC. In looking at the RIF and Major ESERB charts that went out last week, it appears as if they are not looking at Majors in the 2000 and before year groups. Any info on why those year groups are protected? It seems if you are a 1998 Major, you have been passed over twice and should be more vulnerable than a 2001 guy who hasnt been looked at for promotion yet.
Learjetter Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 Do not attempt to apply logic or reason. It's not about capability, it's about numbers in time-phased categories that appear to be capability. 1
MSCguy Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 Do not attempt to apply logic or reason. It's not about capability, it's about numbers in time-phased categories that appear to be capability. Remember that kid in your ROTC det that was scared of taking any courses that remotely resembled math and majored in underwater basketweaving? Today he is that personnel officer at AFPC coming up with the manning numbers. 5
MooseAg03 Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 I've seen AFPC-sourced briefings say cuts are expected to be 25,000 in 18 months, versus the original announcement of 25K over 5 years. Cutting that many is not going to be pleasant either way, but AFPC will have to balance these years of dread with the impact of a once-time purge. So this means basically 2 rounds of this shit? I wonder if that 18 months starts from Dec when this crap began. If those who will be RIFed are separating Jan 2015, that means the second round should come late next year. I still haven't seen anything definitive about whether or not guys in my situation are eligible. 11Ms that I know who cross trained to RPAs still have 11M as Core AFSC, and the other code on my surf is GJ, which is an 11M3K/C-17. Nobody has been able to say whether or not we are eligible for any of this, but the PSDM states that all O-3s from 04-08 (I think) will meet the RIF board. Now my squadron is gathering all pertinent info such as how soon every CGO completed SOS by correspondence, Master's, etc. I think I can see the writing on the wall that we will be eligible.
BamaC-21 Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 Remember that kid in your ROTC det that was scared of taking any courses that remotely resembled math and majored in underwater basketweaving? Today he is that personnel officer at AFPC coming up with the manning numbers. Bullshit! I fly airplanes. 7
bbj77 Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 Does the day you select for your date of separation on the VSP application have any effect on the likelihood of getting your VSP approved? If I select a date near the last day of 29 Sep 14, will the board process all of the applications that have earlier dates closer to the 8 week minimum processing time?
C-21.Pilot Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 Is this TERA thing gonna be around for a while? Any rumors that it'll be around in say 2 years?
Homestar Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 Remember that kid in your ROTC det that was scared of taking any courses that remotely resembled math and majored in underwater basketweaving? Today he is that personnel officer at AFPC coming up with the manning numbers. Just as likely he's the tanker pilot giving you your offload, or the airdropper hauling your trash.
HU&W Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 Is this TERA thing gonna be around for a while? Any rumors that it'll be around in say 2 years? Everything you want to know about TERA is here. It's authorized by Congress until Dec 2018 as a tool to be used at the discretion of the service chiefs.
Lumbergh Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 Yes. Also, which one is it? From PSDM 13-130 dated 24 Jan 14: Access the vMPF via the AFPC Secure website. Select “Apply for Voluntary Separation”, and when prompted to “Select a Separation Provision”, select “SECAF Approved Early Separation Program”. Include “I am requesting to separate under the Voluntary Separation Pay (VSP) Program” in the remarks section. From PSDM 14-08 dated 23 Jan 14: Select “Apply for Voluntary Separation”, when asked to “Select a Separation Provision,” select “Miscellaneous” and include “FY14 Voluntary Separation Pay” in remarks section. Also on PSDM 14-08 (right below the part you quoted): "If an officer has an ADSC, the applicant will provide justification for a waiver." PSDM 13-130 doesn't mention a waiver anywhere, so this new guidance in confusing at best. Also, the guy I spoke to at AFPC didn't even know 14-08 existed! I brought up all the discrepancies and he said he will have to get back to me. Who the f*$% is piloting this Exxon Valdez known as AFPC??!! I fully expect the clown show to continue.
AlphaMikeFoxtrot Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 Also on PSDM 14-08 (right below the part you quoted): "If an officer has an ADSC, the applicant will provide justification for a waiver." PSDM 13-130 doesn't mention a waiver anywhere, so this new guidance in confusing at best. Also, the guy I spoke to at AFPC didn't even know 14-08 existed! I brought up all the discrepancies and he said he will have to get back to me. Who the f*$% is piloting this Exxon Valdez known as AFPC??!! I fully expect the clown show to continue. I may be wrong, but 13-130 (the latest version) is for the RIF and 14-08 is VSP only. I don't know why you would have to justify being RIF'd but I can see why your justification to voluntarily leave could necessary. At least that is my understanding of the two programs.
BamaC-21 Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 Also on PSDM 14-08 (right below the part you quoted): "If an officer has an ADSC, the applicant will provide justification for a waiver." PSDM 13-130 doesn't mention a waiver anywhere, so this new guidance in confusing at best. Also, the guy I spoke to at AFPC didn't even know 14-08 existed! I brought up all the discrepancies and he said he will have to get back to me. Who the f*$% is piloting this Exxon Valdez known as AFPC??!! I fully expect the clown show to continue. I emailed AFPC via the vMPF link today to ask about the discrepancies across the PSDM's and to ask exactly what time the application window will open on the 6th or 7th. I got a credible response back last time, so hopefully it'll work this time too. FWIW....concerning the application window, I read a FAQ list that was forwarded to the Sq from our CC that listed the application window as 6 Feb.
AlphaMikeFoxtrot Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 I emailed AFPC via the vMPF link today to ask about the discrepancies across the PSDM's and to ask exactly what time the application window will open on the 6th or 7th. I got a credible response back last time, so hopefully it'll work this time too. FWIW....concerning the application window, I read a FAQ list that was forwarded to the Sq from our CC that listed the application window as 6 Feb. I got them to answer "via myPers chat" that very same question. They stated "the Air Force will begin accepting applications on 6 Feb." They also stated the absolute earliest to apply is at Midnight (0000) CST. Hope this helps.
Dreamkiller43 Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 Just curious...what are the UAS guys (not 1st assignment) being told right now after the amended PSDM. Eligible or no? Does your RDTM reflect a UAS or your prior MWS?
Guest ThatGuy Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 Have you guys heard the AFSC matrix by eligible and overages is being pulled! If you are an 11M from the 2005 year group you do not have an 18% chance of being released. This is getting to be insane.
Whitman Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 Have you guys heard the AFSC matrix by eligible and overages is being pulled! If you are an 11M from the 2005 year group you do not have an 18% chance of being released. This is getting to be insane. Why is it getting pulled?
FUSEPLUG Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 They'll get it right when they re-re-release it next month. Third time's the charm.
justajob Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 I don't think you understand that the people developing these matrices lead as Lieutenants. We only fly. They got masters degrees when they were in tech school. We let upgrades and the ATO get in our way of doing that. They have my full trust to figure this out in an ACSC paper in a decade or so. 1
Nasty2004 Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 Have you guys heard the AFSC matrix by eligible and overages is being pulled! If you are an 11M from the 2005 year group you do not have an 18% chance of being released. This is getting to be insane. What are you saying? That the matrix is completely erroneous? Source?
albertschu Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 Maybe that's what you want, but *I* only care about the total taken from me. Why would I care about the ins/outs of the accounting gimmicks? I suppose by "you" I meant "someone who wants useful information regarding financial decisions". It isn't a gimmick. Highest dollar I earned that year, i.e. taxable income, was $107k. Tax rate on that was 25%. I don't know what you're going to do with that info, generically, because to me it's says nothing about what I actually paid in total tax. If you know that your marginal tax rate in tax year 14 is 28% and your marginal tax rate in tax year 15 will be 25%, you quickly estimate the bite that tax will take just on the ISP/VSP payout, without having to put every other factor in your life into the equation.
Whitman Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 (edited) Serving Down Under: Australia offers military jobs to US troops facing separation https://www.stripes.com/news/serving-down-under-australia-offers-military-jobs-to-us-troops-facing-separation-1.176622 Edited January 29, 2014 by Whitman
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