uhhello Posted July 18 Posted July 18 5 minutes ago, Sua Sponte said: The USAF would’ve had to redesigned the 767-200 empanage, which it couldn’t afford. Also, the aft part narrows and there’s two pallet positions that would’ve been lost. This has less to do either the cameras and more to do with the boom flight control system (FLCS) when the receiver is too far low and in while in contact. Perfect. Yeah i'm not saying the boom pod setup had anything to do with the latest mishap, just more why the fuck they did it in the first place. Thanks.
Sua Sponte Posted July 18 Posted July 18 (edited) 27 minutes ago, uhhello said: Perfect. Yeah i'm not saying the boom pod setup had anything to do with the latest mishap, just more why the fuck they did it in the first place. Thanks. Copy, no worries. This is the fifth time this scenario has happened that I know of. Japan had this scenario happen 1-2 times with their -46s as well. Edited July 18 by Sua Sponte
Arkbird Posted July 18 Posted July 18 3 hours ago, Sua Sponte said: Copy, no worries. This is the fifth time this scenario has happened that I know of. Japan had this scenario happen 1-2 times with their -46s as well. Doesn't japan also have KC-767s? Do they also use cameras or are they the old reliable boom pod?
Sua Sponte Posted July 18 Posted July 18 (edited) 1 hour ago, Arkbird said: Doesn't japan also have KC-767s? Do they also use cameras or are they the old reliable boom pod? Japan and Italy both got rid of their KC-767s and replaced them with the KC-46 (Italy calls the KC-46 the KC-767B for political reasons). The KC-767 used a window. The Dutch KDC-10s that Omega purchased used a camera system (dunno if Omega retrofitted the cameras with newer ones or used the window). Edited July 18 by Sua Sponte
StoleIt Posted July 19 Posted July 19 On 7/18/2025 at 12:37 AM, Sua Sponte said: Japan and Italy both got rid of their KC-767s and replaced them with the KC-46 (Italy calls the KC-46 the KC-767B for political reasons). The KC-767 used a window. The Dutch KDC-10s that Omega purchased used a camera system (dunno if Omega retrofitted the cameras with newer ones or used the window). The KC-767 does not have a window/boom pod. JASDF KC-767J: Italian KC-767A:
arg Posted July 19 Posted July 19 17 minutes ago, StoleIt said: The KC-767 does not have a window/boom pod. JASDF KC-767J: Italian KC-767A: What's with the goggles? They get two AC vents? Spoiled rotten. There's an unconfirmed story about a U model gunship coming home in the unicorn configuration.
Biff_T Posted July 19 Posted July 19 4 minutes ago, arg said: There's an unconfirmed story about a U model gunship coming home in the unicorn configuration. They need to change the 46 from Pegasus to Unicorn. 1
Sua Sponte Posted July 19 Posted July 19 1 hour ago, StoleIt said: The KC-767 does not have a window/boom pod. JASDF KC-767J: Italian KC-767A: That's right, for some reason I thought they had paid to put a window in the back.
Sua Sponte Posted July 19 Posted July 19 1 hour ago, arg said: What's with the goggles? They get two AC vents? Spoiled rotten. There's an unconfirmed story about a U model gunship coming home in the unicorn configuration. 3D Goggles. The KC-46 boom operators use glasses that look like sunglasses for the same thing. 1
FourFans Posted July 20 Posted July 20 7 hours ago, StoleIt said: The KC-767 does not have a window/boom pod. JASDF KC-767J: Italian KC-767A: Yeah, but I've heard the JSDAF's booms are smaller and easier to get into the hole. 1 4
arg Posted July 20 Posted July 20 1 hour ago, FourFans said: Yeah, but I've heard the JSDAF's booms are smaller and easier to get into the hole. That's what she said
Clayton Bigsby Posted July 20 Posted July 20 From my understanding, a lot of the USAF’s issues with the KC-46 come from their program requirements they pushed to Boeing…the KC-767s have not (publicly at least) shared these issues.
BFM this Posted July 20 Posted July 20 9 hours ago, Clayton Bigsby said: From my understanding, a lot of the USAF’s issues with the KC-46 come from their program requirements they pushed to Boeing…the KC-767s have not (publicly at least) shared these issues. Billions of cargo ton-miles flown by 767s every year. OTS systems and parts just lying all around. AF: yeah we want to redesign the tracks and rails. Just cannot get out of their own way. 1
Biff_T Posted July 20 Posted July 20 14 hours ago, FourFans said: Yeah, but I've heard the JSDAF's booms are smaller and easier to get into the hole. That's racist!
Sua Sponte Posted July 22 Posted July 22 On 7/20/2025 at 8:13 AM, BFM this said: Billions of cargo ton-miles flown by 767s every year. OTS systems and parts just lying all around. AF: yeah we want to redesign the tracks and rails. Just cannot get out of their own way. Commercial 767s don’t carry 463L pallets that have to be interchangeable for every USAF cargo and tanker aircraft. 2
RegularJoe Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago I was at KPAE today and saw the newest KC-46 doing touch and goes, plane comes around high and fast, absolutely plants the mains, bounces the nose and goes around. Young kid around 10 or so runs over to his dad and says "Dad, that was a military grade touch and go". This has to be the best term I've heard for a terrible approach and crappy landing.
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