1. It isn't AU run.
2. Signing up is super easy, Registering for classes is super easy....i.e. instant compared to the 1-2 week process with AU.
3. Online interface is far superior to the AU blackboard. Everything you need is there, you can track your progress, see what has been assigned, when things are due, ect. Notification pushes can be customized and actually work. List goes on. See Pro #1.
4. Self-paced classes can be knocked out relatively fast, depending how you approach them.

I second everything here. I was able to knock out 1-2 self paced classes per day when I was teleworking. Far superior to the AU setup where I would finish a class in a couple hours and wait a week for AU to update and allow me to start another class.

Just wrapping up my Joint facilitated course.  Start my last facilitated elective class next week and then I'm completely done!  Thank goodness.  

Just for clarification, the ACSC "top-up" is only required if you do the Leadership/O-3 track, and you get full credit for ACSC if you do the Joint Warfare/O-4 track, correct?

Also, anyone worked on and or/completed the OLMP version since the ASU migration?

4 hours ago, so.it.goes said:

Just for clarification, the ACSC "top-up" is only required if you do the Leadership/O-3 track, and you get full credit for ACSC if you do the Joint Warfare/O-4 track, correct?

Correct

9 hours ago, MCO said:

Correct

Thanks, man.

Question for reservists currently in or have completed ACSC/OLMP in ASU: do Retirement (ECI) points get automatically updated in vMPF?  Do we still get points for OLMP classes? 

I finished my first class several weeks ago and havent seen anything.  Called a bunch of different numbers between ASU and AU and the only answer I got was to submit a request through mypers and/or contact TFSC.

When I did SOS online a few years ago they auto-updated the points from AU, but since its thru ASU now maybe that doesnt happen.

I can't specifically answer that question, but I did hear of something that, unsurprisingly is jacked up. I guess there is an issue when they upload your points for ACSC.  Apparently, in the month that it's uploaded, any other points (AT/AFTP/etc..) are NOT uploaded.  You'll have to go back and ensure those get added.  I haven't checked if it happened to me, but it did happen to a few squadron mates.  

Note:  If I missed this previously in the thread, I'll assess myself a nice glass of Old Grandad Bonded that I'm already drinking right now. 

Currently 3/4 of the way through the OLMP Joint Warfare concentration and a few notes on the current status of the program:

1. The ASU platform is way better than the AU-ran Blackboard. Shocking what happens when the AF just uses a commercially available platform.

2. I've had a wide range of types of instructors from AD mil, retired mil, civilian PhDs, and some that I am confused as to how they found themselves in the adjunct professor for officer PME role. Generally decent instructors, although the instructors have a lot less to do with it than the other students, which brings me to my next point...

3. They need to figure out a way to balance out the classes with backgrounds. WAY too many civilians who have never worn a uniform and clearly only know about the subject we're discussing from the readings that week. I saw that mentioned earlier in the thread and that has definitely not changed. In all of my classes so far there were maybe 1 or 2 other ops types, and it makes discussing joint warfare a little difficult when the lady from A&FRC is one of the students. This program definitely needs to be advertised better to the ops community.

4. If you have any ops background at all you're already going to be ahead of your peers. Most of the other students in the class don't have the slightest clue what is going on and really struggle with the warfighting concepts.

5. It's as much work as you want it to be. For discussion post weeks I normally find a few articles related to my assigned post, skim, pick a few points out and write the post. My formula has been two sources from the readings, one source I found on my own, and one small vignette from personal experience. I save all my discussion posts in a Word doc and use those to write my papers.

6. With the exception of three books I bought for the research class, everything else has been provided online and there is no requirement to buy any books. They give you all the readings then you can supplement your papers with any of the online military journals.

7. Hindsight being 20/20, I would have enrolled in the leadership program as a Capt, done nothing but the core curriculum, then transferred to the Joint Warfare concentration once I had my line number. If you're a Capt out there and need your Masters, this is 100% the route I would take. I have actually learned some things in the classes I've taken that have helped at work.

8. It's a really good deal if your life can support going to school. No ADSC, no cost to you, and you can get JPME I knocked out.

Greetings,

I’m looking to get some basic guidance on PME requirements. I am a new transition to the ANG, currently a 2^nd year Major from another service. I was told when I transitioned to the Guard I would need to satisfy some mandatory PME prior to being selected for 0-5. I have read the previous posts and was looking for clarification on the requirements to check the boxes for promotion (tried calling the number listed on the AU educational services website… they were not very helpful).

Does OLMP check all the boxes for ACSC (No current Master’s degree)? If not, how much is required in addition to the OLMP degree (ACSC top-off)?

Is there a specific concentration that needs to be completed for 0-4’s to get credit for ACSC?

Any guidance would be appreciated, thanks in advance.

The joint warfare concentration checks the IDE/ACSC/JPME Phase 1 boxes I believe.
 

It is my understanding you can do the ACSC top off if you already have a masters. I can say with 99% certainty it is not required to do the top off after completing the Joint Warfare concentration of OLMP, which is what I’m in now. 

On 5/26/2022 at 9:53 AM, AdamR said:

Greetings,

I’m looking to get some basic guidance on PME requirements. I am a new transition to the ANG, currently a 2^nd year Major from another service. I was told when I transitioned to the Guard I would need to satisfy some mandatory PME prior to being selected for 0-5. I have read the previous posts and was looking for clarification on the requirements to check the boxes for promotion (tried calling the number listed on the AU educational services website… they were not very helpful).

Does OLMP check all the boxes for ACSC (No current Master’s degree)? If not, how much is required in addition to the OLMP degree (ACSC top-off)?

Is there a specific concentration that needs to be completed for 0-4’s to get credit for ACSC?

Any guidance would be appreciated, thanks in advance.

Joint warfare OLMP checks masters, IDE (ACSC), and JPME I. If you start the leadership track as a captain, you can wait until O4-select and switch to joint warfare to get those credits as well. 

Edited May 28, 20223 yr by BeefBears

ACSC not required in ANG for promotion to LtCol

Nice to have not need to have. Even a WG/CC DNP doesn’t really matter on the process in the ANG in ROPMA.

12 hours ago, Guardian said:

ACSC not required in ANG for promotion to LtCol

Nice to have not need to have. Even a WG/CC DNP doesn’t really matter on the process in the ANG in ROPMA.

One thing to consider if you’re expecting to be full time over the typical O4-O5 period, you will lose out on $25-30k over the 3 yr period from “on time” promotion to ROPMA promotion. So a full time guy should ask himself, “am I willing to pay $30k to not do ACSC?” If you’re part time it’s less of a factor.

Also consider if ROPMA will put you at > 17 yrs, because if so, you’ll now have to do more than 20 to retire as an O5.

Edited May 29, 20223 yr by brabus

One thing to consider if you’re expecting to be full time over the typical O4-O5 period, you will lose out on $25-30k over the 3 yr period from “on time” promotion to ROPMA promotion. So a full time guy should ask himself, “am I willing to pay $30k to not do ACSC?” If you’re part time it’s less of a factor.
Also consider if ROPMA will put you at > 17 yrs, because if so, you’ll now have to do more than 20 to retire as an O5.

Another thing to consider on the ANG side is if you have any sort of desire to go beyond O-5. Sure, you’ll probably make it to O-5 as a flyer but that will be the end of the line with no ACSC.

That may be fine for you, but it’s something to consider, especially if your unit sees you as a player for either group command or something at the State HQ level.

Even a WG/CC DNP doesn’t really matter on the process in the ANG in ROPMA.

I’m not sure how true that statement is…

I’m not sure how true that statement is…

In what way?

In what way?

I’d like to see stats on how many packages went up to ROPMA, with a WG/CC DNP to O-5, and made O-5.

I would bet it’s less than 25%.

I don’t have those stats, but if I was a major contemplating my future chances on O-5, I would not hang my hat on

“Even a WG/CC DNP doesn’t really matter on the process in the ANG in ROPMA. “

I see. Yeah my wording isn’t great. I shouldn’t have said it doesn’t matter. It matters I’m sure. It’s just not a barrier to promoting. Thanks for the opportunity to clarify.

Gents, 

Thanks for the great info, much appreciated. This was helpful in my decision making matrix.

My (previous) ANG WG/CC straight up told all his O-4s that without ACSC we would not promote to O-5, period. Sounds like he's at least partially wrong...@Guardian? Appreciate any light others can shed on this issue.

Looking.

If I remember the ANGI 36-2504 omits any requirement or eligibility for ROPMA promotions but in the position vacancy it has a requirement for PME. I think I have provided the reference somewhere in this forum. Just can’t remember where. I remember a blurb (maybe in the AGR handbook or on the promotion form) that says something to the effect of desired not required. For the PV promotion you can also get a waiver.

Depends on what he said. I wasn’t there. Not a ton of absolutes in the guard that can’t be gotten around.

I have seen quite a few non PME bubbas make O-5 via ROPMA


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Just getting started with the OLMP.  Anybody have an opinion on best order to take the OLMP classes on the joint warfare track? Also, if wanting to double up on classes once that is an option, opinions on best classes to take simultaneously? 

I just wrapped up the OLMP in December. I doubled up on two back to back semesters, which was kind of draining. I didn't know which classes were best to combine, so I'm glad you asked! I found these to be the easiest classes: Practice of Command (LC-5510), International Security Studies (NS-5510), Airpower Studies (AP-5510), and Leadership and Warfare (LW-5510). I had to take (and pass) three courses before I could sign up for two at one time, and I assume its the same now...if you want to double up on your fourth semester, you'll need to send a heads up to the student help desk folks, as your registration window will close before your 3rd course grade is submitted and your account can be "unlocked." It was easy to do this, just plan ahead!  They will make sure you are on track to pass and unlock your registration

I would definitely not recommend doubling up classes while taking the Joint Planning, Joint Forces, or Research 1 or 2 classes, but you'd still be able to manage passing scores if you need to. I'm not sure of the prerequisites that were required to take before some classes were unlocked, but here's a notional order in which I would take the classes: Joint Forces, Joint Planning, Joint Air Operations (send double course registration request about a month from finishing this class), International Security Studies + Practice of Command, Research 1 (if unlocked), Leadership and Warfare + Airpower Studies, Warfare Studies + work on your research paper for research 2 if you want, then wrap up with Research 2.  Good luck!

How fast can OLMP be completed ? Is it possible to speed run like DL-ASCS (which says 7 months to complete but you can really do it in like 3) ?

 

Also if you have previously completed DL-ACSC, is there any credit towards OLMP ?