June 1, 201411 yr Looks like the MTI's took a play from current trainees by reporting someone just have them removed just because.
June 1, 201411 yr I guess this means I'll make general after all. Hating everyone equally is the way to go.
June 2, 201411 yr My personal favorite part from the article “It is clear that there was confusing and/or conflicting guidance among the 737th Training Wing squadron commanders about whether or not derogatory information could be removed,” the investigator found. Whether at the command level or wing level, the Air Force needed to clear it up. Perry, the report said, had “showed either a lack of judgment or a lack of experience.” The investigator recommended counseling and remedial training If you F up because of our unclear guidance, and even if your peers do it, it's still your fault.
June 2, 201411 yr My personal favorite part from the article If you F up because of our unclear guidance, and even if your peers do it, it's still your fault. Pretty clear that the WG/CC wanted this guy gone for some reason and this just provided him the opportunity to do it. The whole thing is just one case after another of "well we can twist this to somehow be against the rules even though it's something that literally everyone else does, we're going to use it to you up."
June 5, 201411 yr Just saw this little nugget from TC's take on the firing. I'm surprised the whole story has not made it to AF Times... https://www.jqpublic-blog.com/basic-military-abuse-lackland-trade-recruit-abuse-toxic-leadership/#comments Anonymous says: June 2, 2014 at 3:50 pm It didn’t get any better with Rolirad or DQ. Rolirad would have her favorite students and she is still in the Air Force. DQ just slept with tons of the students. It makes me sick that nothing happened to them and Perry lost command.
June 5, 201411 yr There are so many stories from ex-coworkers, former officer students, and former enlisted students... nothing online as far as I can tell (except for that one comment above). I've seen many 14Ns get drunk with power as soon as they are put in some kind of a leadership role. These 2 are just a couple of more well known examples.
June 5, 201411 yr There are so many stories from ex-coworkers, former officer students, and former enlisted students... nothing online as far as I can tell (except for that one comment above). I was told witnesses signed non-disclosure agreements.
June 9, 201411 yr Please tell me there is more to the story....or anything to the story.... Well the saga takes a different turn...https://www.airforcetimes.com/article/20140607/NEWS/306070036/Spouse-husband-s-former-boss-Return-moving-boxes-pay-up Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App!
June 10, 201411 yr Well the saga takes a different turn...https://www.airforcetimes.com/article/20140607/NEWS/306070036/Spouse-husband-s-former-boss-Return-moving-boxes-pay-up Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App! Huh. Petty. Amusing, indicative of a problem and a bit of "I'll burn all this shit down to get you." But petty and I approve.
June 14, 201411 yr Ok, here's a doozie. A buddy of mine that is currently stationed at a UPT base told me about an issue concerning graduation meals that has caused quite a stir amongst leadership. Apparently the meals that are served for graduation banquets at the club are, to quote Rodney Dangerfield, "low-grade dog food." One of the IPs for the last graduation ordered a kids meal and said it was much better, so this time through, all the IPs ordered kids meals. Somehow, Wing leadership got a hold of this information and the SQ/CC called the FLT/CC in and rolled him up for it. All IPs then had to change their order and order adult meals. There was no age limit specified so how in the hell could leadership do this? You cannot tell someone what they can and cannot eat. I would go straight to MEO. So, this comes to show how ridiculous everything is getting in the AD. If I were any member of leadership, I would get pissed for someone even bringing this up with me. AD leadership loves to turn small minute issues into really big ones while the important issues are put by the wayside. Talk about a waste of time and priorities being way out of whack. Unbelievable. And leadership is wondering why everyone is leaving the Air Force as fast as rats jumping from a burning ship. Edited June 14, 201411 yr by Cornholio5
June 14, 201411 yr Ok, here's a doozie. A buddy of mine that is currently stationed at a UPT base told me about an issue concerning graduation meals that has caused quite a stir amongst leadership. Apparently the meals that are served for graduation banquets at the club are, to quote Rodney Dangerfield, "low-grade dog food." One of the IPs for the last graduation ordered a kids meal and said it was much better, so this time through, all the IPs ordered kids meals. Somehow, Wing leadership got a hold of this information and the SQ/CC called the FLT/CC in and rolled him up for it. All IPs then had to change their order and order adult meals. There was no age limit specified so how in the hell could leadership do this? You cannot tell someone what they can and cannot eat. I would go straight to MEO. So, this comes to show how ridiculous everything is getting in the AD. If I were any member of leadership, I would get pissed for someone even bringing this up with me. AD leadership loves to turn small minute issues into really big ones while the important issues are put by the wayside. Talk about a waste of time and priorities being way out of whack. Unbelievable. And leadership is wondering why everyone is leaving the Air Force as fast as rats jumping from a burning ship. Between this and the club trying to charge triple for booze at UPT class events, it's a wonder studs bother with them at all these days..but then again I guess in places like Del Shitto, you don't really have a ton of places to go.
June 14, 201411 yr They do because the club doesn't charge for the venue, setup, projector/sound system checking, and tear down when everyone is inebriated. Students are free to go whereever, but paying $18/pizza when everything else is free doesn't look that bad when you explain that they will be responsible for everything for setup AND tear down at the end of the night.
June 14, 201411 yr They do because the club doesn't charge for the venue, setup, projector/sound system checking, and tear down when everyone is inebriated. Students are free to go whereever, but paying $18/pizza when everything else is free doesn't look that bad when you explain that they will be responsible for everything for setup AND tear down at the end of the night. Good point...makes sense.
June 14, 201411 yr They do because the club doesn't charge for the venue, setup, projector/sound system checking, and tear down when everyone is inebriated. Students are free to go whereever, but paying $18/pizza when everything else is free doesn't look that bad when you explain that they will be responsible for everything for setup AND tear down at the end of the night. Plus, leadership forces them to hold the events at the club.
June 14, 201411 yr Ok, here's a doozie. A buddy of mine that is currently stationed at a UPT base told me about an issue concerning graduation meals that has caused quite a stir amongst leadership. Apparently the meals that are served for graduation banquets at the club are, to quote Rodney Dangerfield, "low-grade dog food." One of the IPs for the last graduation ordered a kids meal and said it was much better, so this time through, all the IPs ordered kids meals. Somehow, Wing leadership got a hold of this information and the SQ/CC called the FLT/CC in and rolled him up for it. All IPs then had to change their order and order adult meals. There was no age limit specified so how in the hell could leadership do this? You cannot tell someone what they can and cannot eat. I would go straight to MEO. So, this comes to show how ridiculous everything is getting in the AD. If I were any member of leadership, I would get pissed for someone even bringing this up with me. AD leadership loves to turn small minute issues into really big ones while the important issues are put by the wayside. Talk about a waste of time and priorities being way out of whack. Unbelievable. And leadership is wondering why everyone is leaving the Air Force as fast as rats jumping from a burning ship. This, plus the fact that I refuse to buy mess dress, is why I never attended a graduation of any of the classes I instructed over my 3.5 years. Why didn't he crush the club for having shitty food? If it was good enough that people would be willing to pay for it, this wouldn't be an issue. Edited June 14, 201411 yr by sky_king
June 14, 201411 yr This, plus the fact that I refuse to buy mess dress, is why I never attended a graduation of any of the classes I instructed over my 3.5 years. Kinda shitty....The class graduation isn't really about you. But, I guess you don't go to your friends' weddings...because you'd have to rent a tux...or funerals because you'd have to buy a suite. Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App!
June 14, 201411 yr Kinda shitty....The class graduation isn't really about you. But, I guess you don't go to your friends' weddings...because you'd have to rent a tux...or funerals because you'd have to buy a suite. Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App! Too each their own. I didn't even want to attend my own graduation dinner...
June 14, 201411 yr They do because the club doesn't charge for the venue, setup, projector/sound system checking, and tear down when everyone is inebriated. Students are free to go whereever, but paying $18/pizza when everything else is free doesn't look that bad when you explain that they will be responsible for everything for setup AND tear down at the end of the night. Please tell me you're not serious
June 14, 201411 yr They do because the club doesn't charge for the venue, setup, projector/sound system checking, and tear down when everyone is inebriated. Students are free to go whereever, but paying $18/pizza when everything else is free doesn't look that bad when you explain that they will be responsible for everything for setup AND tear down at the end of the night. Actually, they have to use the club. Many classes try to get a venue off-base but leadership and the club don't allow it. Kind of pathetic that there is a monopoly on this. Also, many classes have tried to buy kegs off-base with higher quality beer for cheaper than the horse-piss that the club offers, but they are not allowed to. This would be a non-issue if strippers were bused in to the club like how it was done in another Air Force far far away... Edited June 14, 201411 yr by Cornholio5
June 14, 201411 yr Actually, they have to use the club. Many classes try to get a venue off-base but leadership and the club don't allow it. Kind of pathetic that there is a monopoly on this. Also, many classes have tried to buy kegs off-base with higher quality beer for cheaper than the horse-piss that the club offers, but they are not allowed to. This would be a non-issue if strippers were bused in to the club like how it was done in another Air Force far far away... Long-term misconception.... There is ZERO requirement to have any party, etc at the club and spend any money. Leadership only wants the "official" function there and rightfully so....they cannot force you to spend any money at the Club. Period. However - 1. Why not advertise that you are hosting the event at the club? 2. Provide ZERO beverage and food.... 3. At the end of the night, offer an after party at whatever bar, etc that your class chooses.... 4. Half the fuckers at track select/graduation are there for your free beer anyway.
June 14, 201411 yr Long-term misconception.... There is ZERO requirement to have any party, etc at the club and spend any money. Leadership only wants the "official" function there and rightfully so....they cannot force you to spend any money at the Club. Period. However - 1. Why not advertise that you are hosting the event at the club? 2. Provide ZERO beverage and food.... 3. At the end of the night, offer an after party at whatever bar, etc that your class chooses.... 4. Half the fuckers Everyone at track select/graduation except the tracking/graduating class are there for your free beer anyway. FTFY.
June 15, 201411 yr Too each their own. I didn't even want to attend my own graduation dinner... Weird. Refusing to purchase a mess dress never occurred to me. I would have missed out on so much. The shenanigans at my own upt graduation was worth the $300 for my mess dress, not to mention the formal AF events at Nellis that rarely ended in boredom. Plus my wife digs me in it.
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