The only real deterrent, and I doubt if it is legal, would be to hold the lawmakers in contempt of court and put them in jail for passing laws that any first year law student could tell will absolutely be struck down by the courts. Otherwise they pass a law they know will get struck down, but makes life miserable for gun owners until it does. Then once it gets struck, they change happy to glad and pass it again knowing full well what the result will be.

You guys really don't get it? This is a culture war play in the short term and a step in the direction of Australia style gun bands and "buybacks." And if they could get it, repeal of the 2nd.

They know SCOTUS will strike a bunch of it down. But then they turn to their base and say "see, the ultra MAGA crazies are preventing us from keeping you safe!"

The left never trusted that the right wasn't coming for abortion, and the right has never trusted that the left isn't coming for all the guns.

Both sides are correct not to trust the other.

Update for those using (or attempting to use), the new Electronic Form 4 with ATF.

The system has crashed multiple times since they went live the first of the year, they did not anticipate the increased demand caused by lowering the tax stamp to )$....morons.

I bought a quick disconnect suppressor for my Sig MPX and a new 5.7X28 from SPARTAC with an integrated ans sheathed with suppressor. When I completed the form the website crashed multiple times while trying to submit, was successful the next day. I am at Day 5 with no change in status. I've heard reports of 1-7 days for individual and longer for trusts. Totally subjective but the broker told me for the ones he is processing, if someone has a security clearance (a lot of military where I live), it is taking twice as long as the others with out. No idea why that would be the case....and could just be his experience locally as a one off.

Pictures when complete.

Just got my EForm 4 Ready to Submit email this morning. Fingers crossed......

I'll follow up

Hopefully they have their shit in a sock when I go to buy later this year.

6 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

Totally subjective but the broker told me for the ones he is processing, if someone has a security clearance (a lot of military where I live), it is taking twice as long as the others with out. No idea why that would be the case....and could just be his experience locally as a one off.

Yep, but it's nothing new. I had an issue when I filed a Form 4 for a free SBR a couple of years back during the brace amnesty period. I don't know why, it simply doesn't make sense...

Eform4 submitted. Seamless process.

Dems launching another attack on the 2nd amendment. Senator Chris Murphy (D) NY), is pushing an amendment that will raise the NFA Tax Stamp to $4709 per item.

How about there’s a $4709 tax you have to pay to vote. Same thing Chris, you dipshit.

I've wanted a suppressor for a while but just can't

40 minutes ago, ClearedHot said:

Dems launching another attack on the 2nd amendment. Senator Chris Murphy (D) NY), is pushing an amendment that will raise the NFA Tax Stamp to $4709 per item.

And for reasons that defy my meager intellectual abilities the DOJ keeps defending the NFA in court.

4 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

Dems launching another attack on the 2nd amendment. Senator Chris Murphy (D) NY), is pushing an amendment that will raise the NFA Tax Stamp to $4709 per item.

He's actually from Connecticut, known as the “Constitution State” because its Fundamental Orders (1639) considered one of the first written constitutions and historically important in manufacturing, especially firearms (Colt, Winchester); but now known for being one of the most restrictive gun-law regimes in the U.S.!

This is a Senate amendment (SA 4159/2973) to the Military Construction and Veterans Affairs Appropriations Act (H.R. 3944), the latter providing money for building and maintaining military facilities, housing and infrastructure and including funding for bases, training facilities, and projects that support readiness and quality of life for service members as well as allocating funds for the Department of Veterans Affairs for healthcare, benefits, and programs for veterans including medical centers, mental health services and modernization of VA systems.

It is not a coincidence that it was tied to this bill!

By the way, $200 in 1934 is approximately worth $5,224 in 2026 when adjusted for inflation.

1 hour ago, M2 said:

He's actually from Connecticut, known as the “Constitution State” because its Fundamental Orders (1639) considered one of the first written constitutions and historically important in manufacturing, especially firearms (Colt, Winchester); but now known for being one of the most restrictive gun-law regimes in the U.S.!

My bad....he is FROM New York...which explains even more.
In other news there is movement on Machine Guns.

How DOJ Just Ended a 99-Year-Old Gun Law

Great news if it sticks. It's almost impossible to ship a firearm if you're not an FFL anymore.

Edited yesterday at 03:58 AM1 day by fire4effect

On 1/15/2026 at 7:50 AM, fire4effect said:

I've wanted a suppressor for a while but just can't

Why not!? You’re missing out, big time

4 minutes ago, brabus said:

Why not!? You’re missing out, big time

This 1000%. The biggest downside is that I'm now annoyed when I shoot guns that aren't threaded. Especially now being $200 cheaper, you can get an ok silencer for $500 and a good one for $1K. Your only regret is going to be that you didn't buy one earlier.

I remember buying my first (multi-cal) thinking this’ll cover the calibers I care about, don’t need anymore suppressors. Ha, was I wrong!

1 hour ago, brabus said:

Why not!? You’re missing out, big time

1 hour ago, Smokin said:

This 1000%. The biggest downside is that I'm now annoyed when I shoot guns that aren't threaded. Especially now being $200 cheaper, you can get an ok silencer for $500 and a good one for $1K. Your only regret is going to be that you didn't buy one earlier.

I may be a little paranoid, but I understand some have had the fact that they already have a registered NFA item used against them in a subsequent court case involving an unregistered NFA item. Basically, "you should've known better" Mr. Mejia from what I found got the extra smack down for his SBR because he already owned a registered suppressor.

The other lesson is to be careful who you invite to the range to shoot with you.

https://saf.org/fbi-atf-arrest-of-florida-man-for-unregistered-short-barrel-rifle-showcases-absurdity-of-nfa/

Let's face it with the pistol brace vs stock and the frankly vague definition of "designed to be fired from the shoulder" the ATF has a lot of latitude to make ones like miserable depending on the administration in power.

Edited yesterday at 06:29 AM1 day by fire4effect

9 hours ago, fire4effect said:

I may be a little paranoid, but I understand some have had the fact that they already have a registered NFA item used against them in a subsequent court case involving an unregistered NFA item

I also used to be paranoid about NFA registration (I still am vehemently against it), but reality is if in some crazy scenario the feds decided they needed to confiscate my NFA items, well that really sucks and is bullshit. But, that’s only a fraction of what I own, so I’m not going to be left gunless. Additionally, it’s not hard to do the paperwork and just not have any issues with the ATF. I’ve never talked to a LEO about my guns, ever, and I’ve had NFA items for many years at this point. If you’re concerned about dumb shit like shouldering (ATF dumb, not you), then just don’t do that at a public range (I have many times without issue by the way).

Bottom line, NFA is unconstitutional bullshit, but it’s not a crazy process and owners of NFA items by and large have no issues in practical application.

Edited yesterday at 03:55 PM1 day by brabus

9 hours ago, fire4effect said:

I may be a little paranoid, but I understand some have had the fact that they already have a registered NFA item used against them in a subsequent court case involving an unregistered NFA item. Basically, "you should've known better" Mr. Mejia from what I found got the extra smack down for his SBR because he already owned a registered suppressor.

The other lesson is to be careful who you invite to the range to shoot with you.

https://saf.org/fbi-atf-arrest-of-florida-man-for-unregistered-short-barrel-rifle-showcases-absurdity-of-nfa/

Let's face it with the pistol brace vs stock and the frankly vague definition of "designed to be fired from the shoulder" the ATF has a lot of latitude to make ones like miserable depending on the administration in power.

I can see where you're coming from, but when it gets to the courts, it really doesn't matter what you knew or didn't know. Ignorance of the law is not an acceptable defense. A firearms lawyer that is publicly proclaimed as an expert in firearms law that illegally owns an SBR should be held to the same punishment as joe bagofdoughnuts. That link didn't have enough info about if he was really subjected to extra prosecution because of the existing suppressor, but if he was, that is just another abuse of justice thrown into what already seems to be an abuse of the system in that case.

I seem to recall a statement online (at least a couple years ago) related to his sentence of 21 months. Most of the SBR prosecutions are add on to things like drug trafficking. This guy seemed to be an otherwise law-abiding citizen which is why it was unusual. I'm sure there was something underlying the government hard on for this individual. Something about Florida and Project Safer Neighborhoods. To me this is the perfect thing to appeal to SCOTUS given the facts but as I understand it plea agreements often require waiving the right to appeal. Trial penalty is real and when you could get 10 years most will take 21 months. Prosecutors love draconian penalties because it's a great way to strong arm a plea agreement. Ironically the CI was in the country illegally. Our tax dollars at work.

Middle District of Florida | St. Cloud Man Sentenced To 21 Months In Prison For Possessing A Short-Barreled Rifle | United States Department of Justice

and a whole Reddit thread.

FBI Arrest of Florida Man for Short-Barreled Rifle Showcases Absurdity of NFA : r/NFA

That entire case is complete BS and an abuse of power. I'm guessing they thought he was some anarchist dude that was a legit threat, but once they started an investigation they found out he was just into guns. Then they realized they couldn't look bad for being wrong in front of their bosses so had to press charges with what they found.

There are so many random laws on the books that if you put enough of a focus on ANYONE in the United States, you'd eventually find them doing something illegal that 'justified' the investigation and could put them in jail. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

However, at the end of the day, if I have to choose between having a silencer and an SBR, I'm going with the silencer 100%. Also, silencer rules super easy compared to the SBR legal spiderweb.