BashiChuni

It’s not shallow analysis dude. I’m going back to the 1990s, putins speech in 2007, our cia memo in 2008, the US backed coup in 2014. the shallow analysis is the side which looks at Russia invading in 2022 and screams “Unprovoked invasion, we must defend Ukraine at all costs!” That side is viewing the invasion as a singular event and not considering the factors, actions, and consequences of multi national foreign policy which contributed to shaping Russian decision making. again I’ll ask…why does the US not recognize Taiwan as its own independent nation? Are we capitulating to China? Are we not letting Taiwan pursue what they want? Doesn’t Taiwan have the right to be its own independent country? we are ambiguous because we know if we aren’t the Chinese might take Taiwan back by force. It’s the same calculus I’m overlaying on Ukraine.

pretty cool they pulled from the ANG...a very clear signal to every flag officer on AD...

Say his name three times to summon him!

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Paris next right?!

WHAT A GREAT NIGHT!!!

FUCK YES a huge middle finger to that ASSHOLE! 🖕 busting out the expensive stuff tonight 🥃

I’ll go back and look. from a Russian perspective I would say they’re not wrong. From our side I’d say it was wrong to invade, but I understand why they did it. And how our actions provoked them to action. A war which would have been avoided. I can provoke you into punching me in the face. Does that mean you’re justified in doing it in the eyes of the cops?

this is a fantastic post.

can you post the documents here for me to look at? i'm not justifying the invasion i'm saying we provoked it (two different issues) and could have avoided it. again...the Burns "no means no" memo is my proof.

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i didn't necessarily say justified. i think we had a hand in fermenting this conflict...the memo in 2008 warned about it...and the 2014 coup which the US orchestrated in Ukraine certainly didn't help. also the biden involvement in ukraine is at the very least interesting...probably a lot more to that story. and the cia outposts along the Ukrainian border probably didn't do anything to calm tensions. let me ask you this...why does the US not officially recognize Taiwan as it's own independent country? straight from wikipedia: --- "Over the past four decades, the U.S. government's policy of deliberate ambiguity toward Taiwan has been viewed as critical to stabilizing cross-strait relations by seeking to deter the PRC from using force toward the region and dissuade Taiwan from seeking independence." --- we know that if we recognize them, China gets mad and invades. so we are SMART and don't provoke the Chinese. Now insert Ukraine and Russia into that statement. its intellectually dishonest to say putin invaded "unprovoked". he didn't. he was certainly provoked by western actions. justified? i'm not arguing that point...i'm simply stating we had a chance to avoid the whole mess in the first place.

It was a warning from the cia about what our current path would lead to.

Insane.

The knife on that list?!?! 👀 edit: damn read your post wrong though you were saying he was. Here’s to hoping!!!

So no one wants to address the CIA memo from 2008 predicting this? I guess Bill Burns must have been a Russian troll when he wrote it. nsplayer you still jerking off to your (NAV) quals? Wanna address the actual argument or just play high school “bro card” games? thats what I thought. Typical liberal who wants to censor points of view counter to yours.

yeah no shit genius thanks for that brilliant commentary. maybe if i have a question on how to use the weather radar i'll reach out. you guys refuse to even see the russian perspective or rationale for their actions. just blindly want to commit our nation (AGAIN) into literal WW3. i would like our nation to stop doing provocative things that we KNOW will cause conflict.

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was Bill Burns a russian troll when he wrote his spot on analysis? grow up.

i don't have to go with shit. the facts are you guys absolutely REFUSE to even consider to think like your enemy. you take ZERO account of your enemies motives or what will push them to do things you don't like. know thy enemy. know WHY putin took his actions. you don't have to agree with them, hell i don't! but i understand why he did it. https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08MOSCOW265_a.html "1. (C) Summary. Following a muted first reaction to Ukraine's intent to seek a NATO Membership Action Plan (MAP) at the Bucharest summit (ref A), Foreign Minister Lavrov and other senior officials have reiterated strong opposition, stressing that Russia would view further eastward expansion as a potential military threat. NATO enlargement, particularly to Ukraine, remains "an emotional and neuralgic" issue for Russia, but strategic policy considerations also underlie strong opposition to NATO membership for Ukraine and Georgia. In Ukraine, these include fears that the issue could potentially split the country in two, leading to violence or even, some claim, civil war, which would force Russia to decide whether to intervene." - former CIA director Bill Burns 2008 it's fucking spelled out for you in 2008. and yes they are fucking facts.

WRONG and root cause of you guys being deceived. this goes back LONG before 2014. NATO caused this. specifically the US. when you analyze what russia/putin have said the last 35 years you can connect the dots. i'd point you to the Biden Admin's CIA director's memo when he was a ANALYST (aka analyzing what the russians will do and WHY) the famous "no means no" memo. it clearly spells it out.

the "stand up for democracy" shrilling is ridiculous. as this USAID and biden bribery scandal unfolds you will hardly see motives to "stand up for democracy" it's a smoke screen to disguise money laundering and criminal activity. but much like the phrase "conspiracy theorist" it has proven to be highly effective at stirring up emotions in the uneducated masses.

that is the FO. that is a fact. do you dispute that?