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This is how we know you’re delusional in a basement somewhere. Collective defense against Russia is the main reason NATO exists. Having them join would be inviting the fox to guard the henhouse; they would be able to obstruct anything they want, just like they do on the UN Security Council. Do you get paid for this nonsense?

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My PCCs are fun to bang steel with, but not my go-to for killing (though obviously they can). Similar 300BO setup to Nunya’s is my primary weapon in/around the house…unless time demands I grab something different that’s closer at hand in the moment.

I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but Putin is the Soviets. They never went away.

I tried the same concept, but with a CMMG Banshee - also a roller delayed blowback. The recoil was much more uncomfortable than I expected. It just wasn't fun to shoot. (It was also totally unreliable suppressed, but that's immaterial since you didn't ask about the Banshee.) I instead went with a 9" BCM 300BO pistol and a suppressor shooting 190gr subsonics and I'm mucho happier. The ballistics are effectively identical to 45 ACP at get-the-f-out-of-my-house ranges and it shoots oh so sweet. I also added a Superlative adjustable gas block that only made it that much sweeter with subs. I love my 45 handguns. I'm waiting on a G30.5 right now. But for a rifle/pcc/subgun platform in this power category, 300BO is my hands down choice.

My friend, if you wouldn't mind, could you possibly provide me with a single solitary instance from any reference you feel is credible of a "self-loathing" definition that even slightly includes the criticism of one's nation/government/etc? You have no patience for it... yet you created a definition for it that is found nowhere outside of this conversation, and invented another term that doesn't exist (us-loathing). You can't have it both ways, brother. You're attempting to collectivize all things America is and does so that anytime anyone has a criticism, you can accuse them of "loathing" their own nation. You have plenty of grievances yourself. Does that mean you loathe America? Me, Bashi, You, and everyone else should be allowed to vehemently express our disapproval with the actions of a handful of people that have the make decisions for us with out being accused of hating our Nation. They are not America. No, it isn't. If you strike a match and light the woods on fire and the neighborhood burns down because of it, there is no "we brought this on ourselves" simply because we live in the same place. You fucked up. Nope. I've given a dozen reasons for being against the conflict. The financial aspect being one of them. Absolutely I'm critical of Putin. You know I can write, and I could write a book on why Putin sucks and Russia is a worse place to live, but who cares? I'm not in Russia. If I were to give you the options "It's all Russia's fault, It's all the USA's fault, or some amount of fault lies on both sides", which would you choose? To directly answer your question, I 100% absolutely without a doubt believe we made mistakes along the way that Russia used as justification. Doesn't mean they were right, it just makes it a little more difficult to say they were wrong. We (this time I do mean me and the rest of the country) are both paying dearly for mistakes made on both sides. It's past time to negotiate an end. Where the hell to you think the current trajectory is taking us? Russia has nukes, and demonstrated yesterday they can deliver them at Mach 14. Yeah, so can we... but what you're hoping for is a Pyrrhic victory at best. I get a little amped over this because I have a big family, kids, and now grandkids. I've participated in conflicts myself and had no real concerns over my own well-being. But if someone becomes a threat or creates a risk to the people I care about, I am violently offended. The way I see it, Russia doesn't pose a direct threat or risk to them. The actions of our leaders do, so I feel compelled to speak about it.

Are you a big .45 guy? I'm not sure if the increased cost is justified by the ballistics. And there are a ton of cheaper (and really cool) 9mm PCCs. That being said, that's a sexy looking gun... I saw a bunch of the super cheap bulpup shotguns on PSA and ended up getting a KSG410. The dual tubes capacity convinced me. Bird shot and buck shot in one gun, selectable? Neat. I don't have anything in .410 and I'm not at all crazy about adding calibers to the collection, but I figure I'll need to get .410 eventually for when my kids learn to shoot, and as a home defence shotgun, the low recoil makes more sense for my wife. For $350 (plus taxes and fees) I figured it's worth a try. And it looks like a space gun 😂🤣

There's a lot going on in here, so I'll try to break it apart for clarity. America is a state, not just an ideal. Obviously we all love the ideal set forth by the founders, but what America is-and-does today is part of America, and in this case, the "self" we are referring to. "Us" is the more appropriate word, but we do not normally say "us-loathing." The past is nothing more than a memory. America (and thus "us/self") is what we are doing as a nation today. Something a handful of posters here portray in a very negative, and thus self-loathing manner. The implication here is that we are being disrespectful. Laughable. Russia and China have violated every possible concept of peace and comity short of an actual kinetic attack against us. They are enemies. That doesn't mean we have to attack them militarily, and there is an entire valid argument over the pure financial decision to fund Ukraine. But bfargin, Bashi, and a few others repeatedly veer into some variation of we brought this on to ourselves. That's self-loathing. See above. Also note: I did not reply to you when I said self-loathing. As far as I can remember, you have kept mostly to the financial argument, where we disagree, but not to blame the US. And if I recall you were very critical of Putin in his interview with Tucker claiming this was all the West's fault. But for simplicity and clarity, do you believe we provoked Russia into their "special operation" against Ukraine? By "provoked" I mean to say that Russia's invasion is in any part justified by our actions prior to the invasion. Putting our misadventures in the Middle East into the same bucket as Russia/Ukraine is to reduce foreign policy/intervention so much as to have no useful argument at all. There is almost zero comparison between the nation-building fiascos in Iraq and Afghanistan with the defense of an "ally" (we can argue that elsewhere) against an adversary. They were different operations with different goals and different cultures and different international considerations with different forms of intervention and different price tags in both blood and treasure. If you learned that we have feckless leadership and shifting attention and prideful generals and difficulties committing, then great, you've uncovered all the weaknesses of democratic governance. But no one is doing it better. No one. Surely you noticed that in your travels, as I did. I have no patience for redefining terms. You can be a moron and make every bad decision in the world and still love yourself. You can be doing a bang-up job and still self-loathe. Lets not play the semantic games every fuckwad professor since Derrida plays in trying to win an argument by pissing on the dictionary. You're better than that. Bashi is not.

The reason you cannot understand it is because you're mis-identifying a loathing of poor leadership, foreign policy, and intervention as a loathing of "self". I'm gonna go out a limb and say not one member of this forum "loathes" the United States of America. I'd say everyone here loves it, and wouldn't want to live anywhere else. It's insulting for you to say that those of us who do not want to see a continuous escalation of this conflict and others, who don't want more of our taxes and national treasure pissed away, who critique and question the policies/actions taken by leadership on behalf of me and my country is "self-loathing". It's actually the opposite. Surely, you were deployed, probably multiple times, in your career. I got to see all of IRQ, AFG, part of SYR, (countries we invaded) waste $trillions, countless lives lost, and then shamefully walk away leaving the countries in worse shape than we found them. I was all in, just like you at the beginning. But I try to do a little after action, reflecting upon and learning from our mistakes. I could argue that the actual self-loathing would be standing by as an ineffectual as the same leadership subjects yourself, your family, and your country to the same misadventures all over again.

I’m just amazed at how leadership is so happy/eager to get back into a Cold War (or worse) type relationship with Russia. We’ll never trust each other totally, but there really is no need to be actual enemies. We’re like the dumb ass tourists you see at Yellowstone walking up to a Bison or a Grizzly just for shits and grins. Negotiate peace and stability!