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Well Gents, it’s been fun but Duck is now a twice passed over Captain on his way out the door. I appreciate all of you who reached out and offered me advice throughout the years. I know that I will ha

They are missing WHY dudes are disgruntled. I've been around a long time, as you have. There have certainly been boom and bust cycles for morale. This one is far different than what I think can f

Yes...and shockingly, got picked up 1 APZ with a 5/10 push line and P on the PRF. Sometimes there is justice in the system.

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Lots of people get it. They're just Captains.

There isn't a single person, anywhere in the Air Force at all, over the rank of O-4 who could be described as having "grown up" in the age of the personal computer, and you don't get a solid group of them until you go down to O-3. The ages and year groups just don't work out. That isn't to say there aren't some tech-savvy early adopters O-5 or above, but in my experience, not many. Senior leadership might recognize the importance of this whole internet thing, and, to their credit, work hard to figure it out, but that doesn't mean they get it just yet.

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And you would be incorrect....completely. I am solidly in the O-4 group you think you know, and our family got our first PC when I was 5 (Apple IIGS I think) and had them in our house until college. Internet you say? We were dialing up BBS at 9 years old and dowloading sketchy movies at 1200 BAUD. So what exactly was your point?

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And you would be incorrect....completely. I am solidly in the O-4 group you think you know, and our family got our first PC when I was 5 (Apple IIGS I think) and had them in our house until college. Internet you say? We were dialing up BBS at 9 years old and dowloading sketchy movies at 1200 BAUD. So what exactly was your point?

He said "above the rank of O-4"...

His point was that technology has a multitude of ways to streamline our daily processes and make desk work generally tolerable but because the old people in charge don't trust what they don't understand and are too lazy to learn, we will be forced to do additional work until guys like you get in charge.

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He said "above the rank of O-4"...

His point was that technology has a multitude of ways to streamline our daily processes and make desk work generally tolerable but because the old people in charge don't trust what they don't understand and are too lazy to learn, we will be forced to do additional work until guys like you get in charge.

Well, they trust it. They just make the e-form have the same look and functionality of the paper form. To include the e-Routing Slips. :banghead:

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During the last DT, each board received one candidate nominee. The rest of the seats went to selects. HAF plans to keep the number of candidates that go to school very low to take care of the selects in a fiscally constrained DE world.

Liquid -

Any word on whether HAF is going to let candidates go off the alternate list? I know the SOF DT only had enough selects nominated to fill the primary seats - hence all the alternates are candidates. So when inevitably spots open up, is HAF/AFPC going to allow more than one candidate to go if they're pulled off the alternate list or will those slots go to another DT that has selects on the alternate list?

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Liquid -

Any word on whether HAF is going to let candidates go off the alternate list? I know the SOF DT only had enough selects nominated to fill the primary seats - hence all the alternates are candidates. So when inevitably spots open up, is HAF/AFPC going to allow more than one candidate to go if they're pulled off the alternate list or will those slots go to another DT that has selects on the alternate list?

I'm no Liquid, but I was told that alternate candidates will only fill in for candidates that are on the list.

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Liquid -

Any word on whether HAF is going to let candidates go off the alternate list? I know the SOF DT only had enough selects nominated to fill the primary seats - hence all the alternates are candidates. So when inevitably spots open up, is HAF/AFPC going to allow more than one candidate to go if they're pulled off the alternate list or will those slots go to another DT that has selects on the alternate list?

Not sure, haven't seen any policy yet. Last year they only allowed our selects to fill alternate spots. At our DT we created a select only alternate list and a candidate alternate list to cover both options. There may be a few more alternate spots available next year (summer '14) because of the requirement to only nominate selects, regardless of smart timing. Even if a candidate had better timing and was more deserving, we had to nominate selects and only one candidate. HAF trying to get ahead of the bow wave of too many selects and not enough seats.

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I would like to know how a package accumulates points during a board. Do you get a point for DG..annual award..half a point for each strat.. or AAD...Flt/CC..etc?

What Noonin said.

It is up to each board member to score each record however they think it should be scored. Common technique is to start at 8.0 (average) and add or subtract based on what is in or not in the record. Remarkably little guidance is given about how to score, but there are not as many splits (disagreements in score of more than 1.5 points on a 6-10 scale between two or more members) as you would think. Boards tend to value depth, breadth, leadership, stratification, distinction (awards) and deployments. That usually means they add point or half point for or take away points from what they see as the norm. Top half is easy (DPs). Top 15% cut line (school select, BPZ) and bottom 10-15% get tricky, meaning individual board member biases and preferences can make a big difference.

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Per AMC A1, "The '05 Maj board should have an accounting date between Nov-Jan with a board date between April-May."

They also stated: "ensure you are the best aircrew member you can be (instructor), however get your AAD done and don't screw off with PME... Changes to the AAD might be coming but don't expect them to trickle down for awhile."

Nothing really new above, but to the young pups: fly your butt off, become a great instructor, and work on the rest of the stuff as it comes along to not be deemed a clown when it comes promotion time. Find a bro who can help you out that is a few years ahead of you to clear the air on all the bs.

Luck, timing and who you know are huge as we all know, but without being a great aviator, taking care of your training/records, and doing the "extra" things leadership deems important that luck, timing and who you know won't happen sometimes... But remember its about building credibility in your community in the jet first then outside the jet SECOND.

Cheers!

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Just heard the "deciding O-6" in our Agency tell us that he will be selecting those who attend SOS in residence for his upcoming board based on completion of SOS in correspondence (whatever, standard) and masters completion!!! Not for O-4 or O-5 promotion boards of even IDE... masters completion to go to effing SOS!!!!! For an O-5 board; sure... O-4 board; maybe... to go to SOS?!? Why are these incredible morons who now sit in what used to be leadership positions so hell bent on picking future Colonels and Generals when they are just LT's and young Capts?!? I give up...

:flipoff::banghead::bash::bohica:

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Just heard the "deciding O-6" in our Agency tell us that he will be selecting those who attend SOS in residence for his upcoming board based on completion of SOS in correspondence (whatever, standard) and masters completion!!! Not for O-4 or O-5 promotion boards of even IDE... masters completion to go to effing SOS!!!!! For an O-5 board; sure... O-4 board; maybe... to go to SOS?!? Why are these incredible morons who now sit in what used to be leadership positions so hell bent on picking future Colonels and Generals when they are just LT's and young Capts?!? I give up...

:flipoff::banghead::bash::bohica:

I thought one of the main reasons for the "new" SOS was to eliminate the need to do SOS online and then go do it again (also to get rid of ASBC). Additionally, I thought they were going to pretty much send everyone. Sounds like it is more of the same just a longer SOS. Nice....

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Accounting date: say that again? Next year, as in Nov 2014? Or next Fiscal Year just 3 months from now?

Fall of 2014.... that is the latest intel I received as well.

Is anyone else starting to feel like the unwanted guest who has overstayed his/her welcome? Another (legitimate) VSP would quickly solve the manning issues that drove our board 1 year to the right.

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Is anyone else starting to feel like the unwanted guest who has overstayed his/her welcome? Another (legitimate) VSP would quickly solve the manning issues that drove our board 1 year to the right.

A VSP would just result in a bunch of rejected applications from pilots (or no applications if you didn't include them)

The fundamental problem is that, in aggregate, we can't get the officers we want gone to leave. At the same time, we can't get the officers we want to keep to stay.

On the short haul, I would do a mix of a RIF and bonuses. Well, we're doing half of that. On the long haul, promotions need to be career-specific. ...but nobody asked me.

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This has been the norm for selection boards depending upon your base. Why is this so cosmic of a concept to anyone now.

I believe our selection boards are run like a promotion board but they focus on OPRs, fitness test scores, and your CC's ranking.

It has been the norm to tell LTs that it will be a requirement to have their Masters complete to go to SOS? What Base are you at??? OPRs and CC's ranking makes sense, but selecting who goes to SOS based on who has their Masters done has absolutely zero to do with leadership or leadership potential. This moron is essentially telling every LT in our organization that their stratification and future promotion potential will be decide by whether or not they have a Masters degree before pinning on Captain. This is exactly what is wrong with the Air Force today.

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It has been the norm to tell LTs that it will be a requirement to have their Masters complete to go to SOS? What Base are you at??? OPRs and CC's ranking makes sense, but selecting who goes to SOS based on who has their Masters done has absolutely zero to do with leadership or leadership potential. This moron is essentially telling every LT in our organization that their stratification and future promotion potential will be decide by whether or not they have a Masters degree before pinning on Captain. This is exactly what is wrong with the Air Force today.

Might as well make a Masters degree a commissioning requirement. That's were the AF is heading anyway.

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This has been the norm for selection boards depending upon your base. Why is this so cosmic of a concept to anyone now.

I believe our selection boards are run like a promotion board but they focus on OPRs, fitness test scores, and your CC's ranking.

"Leaders" who don't know their people are different from a stoplight chart are douches.

Here is the deal...for a "100%" opportunity, why the fuck do we have wing selection boards?

Also, do the tards who come up with this shit realize that other bases send everyone because they have more spots than eligible people?

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If they have a board that's similar to what you see for O-4/5, what does those boards use as a discriminator? It's the AAD. But I've seen some go in res without even a BAC+. Have no clue how that happens. Timing I guess.

You can't compare the two... it isn't realistic, especially for a pilot to expect an AAD for SOS. 1 Year sitting around casual waiting to start UPT, 1 year in UPT, minimum of 1 year between Land/Water survival... RTU... PCS... Mission Ready program. So now you have a 1 Lt who knows just enough to be dangerous and through no fault of his own probably sucks at flying the jet just because he is new/little flight experience and we have these douche bag Commanders basically telling them they better not only start, but finish their AAD immediately or else?!? Not sure what the 100% SOS in residence plan is, but I can tell you that we have many more Capts in our Agency that have not been than there are in resident slots... granted there is obviously a 3 year window, but with the averages there will still be a decent amount that will not be able to go unless our slots increase.

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