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Or if you are interested in the assignment, you could threaten 7 day opt or say you'll accept the assignment with 0 ADSC.  Seen it done, but make sure you get the 0 ADSC part in writing from AFPC.

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With your location and duty station they are going to royally F up the paperwork, count on it, could be in your favor.

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Has anyone departed OCONUS back to the States prior to their PDD and DEROS month? My PDD is 2 July and has us travelling during the Canada and U.S. holidays (their version is called Canada Day, original, right?). I talked to my assignments counselor, but didn't get a warm fuzzy. Depending on TMO dates, I expect that we can leave Canada on 29 Jun. It'll take too long to change my DEROS month. Can I take leave prior to my PDD so I can depart earlier and will this affect per diem and other associated PCS costs if we accomplish all of our travel while on leave? Has anyone heard from FinanceGuy lately?

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1 hour ago, polcat said:

Can I take leave prior to my PDD so I can depart earlier and will this affect per diem and other associated PCS costs if we accomplish all of our travel while on leave?

I don't believe so, and leave status will affect travel entitlements.

Double check, but I don't believe the assignments AFI permits departure from current duty station prior to DEROS month without GO level approval.

I don't recall the specifics of the leave AFI's mention of leave beginning and ending in local area, or if the AFI address leave in-conjunction with PCS.

JTR address leave status during travel status, essentially your JTR entitlements pause while leave interrupts your travel status.

The gaining MPF will want a hard date you departed last duty station (final out'd your current duty station), and will possibly throw a flag if that date is before your DEROS month, or while you are in leave status.  

Finance will want to know when to charge you leave versus travel days.

I believe in order for the plan to work your current orderly room folks would have to process your leave, to include inputting a return date...then they would have to input your departed last duty station date (final out), which would have to be the day after your leave return date AND be in your DEROS month...your travel day entitlements will begin the day after your final out.

Signing in from leave and final-ing out your last duty station while you are on the road to your next duty station will probably raise some eyebrows. 

My knowledge on all this is dated but I researched it all when I left my assignment in Canada eight years ago. 

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That's what I figured. I looked at the regs and JTR and came to the same conclusion. Oh well. At least the weather is nice up here! It's a good problem to have, since my C-130J requal is driving the early July PDD.

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Simple question. If you are going to receive an assignment to work in west San Antonio, where is a good place to live? Just as a point of reference, Randolph is located in northeastern San Antonio. Friends have told me to get a place downtown, but I was told by a SNCO the traffic would be atrocious.

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Question: On CONUS to CONUS PCS can you ship one of your cars.  My wife is going to have a baby 5 weeks prior to our PCS and it would be much easier to just ship her car vs. driving with a little one or coming back and driving twice.  I looked in the JFTR and 36-2110 and couldn't find what I was looking for. Thanks for any advice.

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Simple question. If you are going to receive an assignment to work in west San Antonio, where is a good place to live? Just as a point of reference, Randolph is located in northeastern San Antonio. Friends have told me to get a place downtown, but I was told by a SNCO the traffic would be atrocious.

Downtown traffic isn’t bad at all. Your SNCO is misinformed. You’ll be going against traffic if you work normal hours.
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On 5/1/2018 at 9:57 PM, ihtfp06 said:


Downtown traffic isn’t bad at all. Your SNCO is misinformed. You’ll be going against traffic if you work normal hours.

Thank you. That would make sense because he stayed downtown but had to commute to Randolph. 

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7 hours ago, asdf said:

Question: On CONUS to CONUS PCS can you ship one of your cars.  My wife is going to have a baby 5 weeks prior to our PCS and it would be much easier to just ship her car vs. driving with a little one or coming back and driving twice.  I looked in the JFTR and 36-2110 and couldn't find what I was looking for. Thanks for any advice.

I believe your only recourse for full reimbursement is writing a request to SAF (the "secretariat process" as the JTR calls it). In the memo, explain the untimely PCS wrt the baby, the financial burden (airfare after first car if you do it twice, airline tickets, etc.) I can only speculate on the probability of approval, but it's worth a shot. I thought about doing this, but honestly didn't have a very good argument since the car I have shipped on multiple PCS is a hobby car/not a primary driver.

If this fails, you do still get mileage for the second car (and more per diem for your family if they travel separately via air while you drive one of the cars). That money can at least offset the shipping charges if you choose to do so for QOL. Also research shippers, do not go with some random guy and a flatbed trailer (there's a lot), it's worth it to spend a little more and get your car undamaged and on time.

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Edit: Gov will pay for airline tickets if you go that route, so you could argue it'll save the govt money by not purchasing tickets/you all traveling together (less per diem paid out).

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When house hunting OCONUS, are any realtor expenses or relocation services (I.e a separate company that helps bridge the language gap) reimbursable?  Cheers!  

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A quick question after few to many alcoholic beverages and nothing from the search function and too lazy to scan the JFTR while buzzed. A upcoming PCS has most likely been delayed for my family for 4-6 months, and we are going from a pretty shitty location to a pretty nice location.  If I buy i house at our new location and move the family down ahead of time (before our PCS orders, and full DITY) can I still get reimbursed or is that a violation of the JTR since we didn’t have orders when I moved the family? 

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A.  General.  Ordinarily, travel that occurs before an order is issued is at personal expense and no reimbursement is authorized.  However, a Service member is authorized dependent travel and transportation allowances for dependent travel that occurs before a PCS order is issued but after the Service member has been advised that such an order would be issued.  The Service member must be otherwise eligible for dependent travel and transportation allowances.      

B.  Conditions.  General information provided to the Service member concerning order issuance before the determination is made to actually issue the order (such as time of eventual release from active duty, when the service-term expires, retirement eligibility date, or expected rotation date) is not advice that an order will be issued.  Any travel voucher for travel occurring before a PCS order is issued must be supported by a statement from the PCS AO or designated representative, that the Service member was advised that the order would be issued, and must cite this paragraph as authority for payment.  Transportation must not be provided before a PCS order is issued.  

BLUF: You can be reimbursed provided you "have been advised the order will be issued" and cite JTR 050403.

 

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7 minutes ago, Breckey said:

BLUF: You can be reimbursed provided you "have been advised the order will be issued" and cite JTR 050403.

 

So to keep things short, I was a UPT direct to RPAs, I have been “notified” by my commander of my manned follow on assignment, as well as the other first 30 UPT directs from the 2015/16 UPT/RPA fuckery. It basically worked like a FAIP drop.  Only “official” notification we have gotten so far is our T-1 refresher dates. Nothing on Vmpf. I would say it’s the equilivant of a UPT stud getting there assignment on assignment night and waiting for orders. Does that CC notification count that the order will be issued? I would much rather my family be out of the shithole that is eastern NM and at our follow location closer to civilization and family.  

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So to keep things short, I was a UPT direct to RPAs, I have been “notified” by my commander of my manned follow on assignment, as well as the other first 30 UPT directs from the 2015/16 UPT/RPA ery. It basically worked like a FAIP drop.  Only “official” notification we have gotten so far is our T-1 refresher dates. Nothing on Vmpf. I would say it’s the equilivant of a UPT stud getting there assignment on assignment night and waiting for orders. Does that CC notification count that the order will be issued? I would much rather my family be out of the shithole that is eastern NM and at our follow location closer to civilization and family.  

How long does the T-1 refresher take? What airframe are you going to? I’d wait until you at least have a RIP before making any moves.

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3 hours ago, ihtfp06 said:


How long does the T-1 refresher take? What airframe are you going to? I’d wait until you at least have a RIP before making any moves.

Projected 35 training days/51 TDY days, out and back from current location. Also a outback from current location for SERE.  U-28s to Hurlburt. (My number 2 of 30 ish choices, I’ll give it to AFPC, seems like they really tried to get everyone in my group something in their top 5).  

That is kinda what I am leaning toward. Wife is anxious to GTFO out of Clovis, especially knowing at some point we will probably be back. Trying to look at all the options. 

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