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#21 The Texan

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Posted 15 December 2011 - 08:05 PM

Facebook is the greatest force shaping tool in the history of the Air Force.


I will tell you there isn't one real NCO in that picture. Some may be wearing the stripes, but they aren't NCOs...


A product of the mathematical enigma that is the WAPS score. Go back on all these asshats' past EPRs and I will bet you they are all 5s. Most career fields have promotion cutoff scores of 320+ and the EPR's give them 135pts right out of the gate. Keep promoting ~25% of E5's and ~55% of E4's, watering down the roles of responsibility, and stuff like this happens.

Final Thought: The biggest clowns associated with this cluster are the ones you don't see in the photo.

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Posted 15 December 2011 - 10:56 PM

Anger rising... F'ing morons
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Posted 15 December 2011 - 11:37 PM


As a former NCO (yeah, I was prior), I will tell you there isn't one real NCO in that picture. Some may be wearing the stripes, but they aren't NCOs...

What kills me is that there are fucking Chiefs E-9's running around correcting people on 35-10 (36-something something these days), morale patches and reflective belts, but apparently don't have their own troops straight.


Fixed it for you man. These days the Air Force reminds me of this poster...


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Posted 16 December 2011 - 12:40 AM

Yall are overreacting.
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Posted 16 December 2011 - 01:05 AM

Yall are overreacting.

Please tell me you're just a troll. Otherwise, choke yourself.
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Posted 16 December 2011 - 06:07 AM

Yall are overreacting.

Scot Medicinehorse?

You sound like the same asshat who has been leaving comments in the AF Times comment section of this story.
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Posted 16 December 2011 - 07:23 AM

OVERREACTING......Seriously? Pound sand
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Posted 16 December 2011 - 07:56 AM

###### these muther######ers...............
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Posted 16 December 2011 - 09:08 AM

Time for General Schwartz to be retired. Our Air Force has lost its focus. Too many years at war and ops tempo while leadership and tone has been on service dress jackets, airline stripes, the color and name our our fatigues, a new AF logo, new PFT, new AF motto, new PT uniform, joint bases/everything, new AF chant, and PT civilian testers. And we're disrespecting our brothers and sisters who have given their last breath for our country with landfills and this atrocity. Our service right now can't be trusted with two very sacred acts...returning our heroes and handling nuclear weapons. Leadership has failed us.

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Posted 16 December 2011 - 03:52 PM

The NCOs should know better but the brand new A1Cs and below probably didn't know how ######ed up they were being. A brand new Airman might being ignorant but there is no excuse for anyone who has been in the military longer than a year.
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Posted 16 December 2011 - 06:51 PM

The NCOs should know better but the brand new A1Cs and below probably didn't know how ######ed up they were being. A brand new Airman might being ignorant but there is no excuse for anyone who has been in the military longer than a year.


I have several friends whose teenagers know better than this.
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Posted 16 December 2011 - 07:24 PM

not much else i can say, You all have it correct. These people have killed themselves literally. Time to go occupy Wall Street, we don't want you anymore !!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted 16 December 2011 - 07:25 PM

That is true but when you are a brand new AMN you tend to follow what the NCOs are doing. I have seen numerous occasions when the new airman gets made an example of in front of everyone and they slap the NCO's wrist behind a closed door for the exact same offense. I never understood it.

If an Airman messes up, there is always a NCO who could have stopped it.

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Posted 16 December 2011 - 10:06 PM

What do we expect? 95% of the Air Force hasn't been at war in the last 10 years. Unless you count the war against common sense that is waged daily by the shoe clerks. They don't understand or appreciate sacrifice because most of them haven't had to do it like we have. Missing kids births and birthdays, holidays, anniversaries is common for the rated folk and the other guys and gals who make it happen, yet scoffed at by the corporate Air Force.
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Posted 16 December 2011 - 11:05 PM

That is true but when you are a brand new AMN you tend to follow what the NCOs are doing. I have seen numerous occasions when the new airman gets made an example of in front of everyone and they slap the NCO's wrist behind a closed door for the exact same offense. I never understood it.

If an Airman messes up, there is always a NCO who could have stopped it.


Oh, I wasn't criticizing your post - mostly piling on...

And, speaking of "corporate AF", it seems most "support" functions are populated largely by civilians these days - many of whom don't give a crap.. For example, our LRS has civilian flight chiefs and it shows based on the condition of some deployment equipment I was recently issued and promptly rejected. Btw, I realize this is a generalization, so just saying'..
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Posted 18 December 2011 - 06:56 PM

Wow. Shameful.





This is a graduation picture of the newest class of Air Transportation (2T2X1) airman (not loggies, sorry for being a dick Toro). I had my picture taken behind that very same "C-130" four years ago. And I see my instructor in that picture.



Yup...graduated from that very same course back in 1998 at the Logistics Training Center at LAFB. Back when I was there, the instructors were a no bullshit kind of group. Looks like times have changed.
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 08:10 AM

Well, as expected...

Air Force: No criminal wrongdoing in ‘coffin’ photo
PHILIP CAULFIELD
Monday, January 30, 2012

Air Force investigators say that a group of airmen shown in a photo clowning around with a coffin like the ones used to transport America's war dead didn't commit a crime and wouldn't be prosecuted, according to a report in an Air Force newspaper.

The picture, taken at an Air Force training school in Fort Lee, Va., in August and leaked to the Air Force Times late last year, showed a group of fatigue-clad airmen posing around a comrade playing dead inside the casket.

The airman in the casket was wrapped in chains and had a noose around his neck.

The gathered airmen made 'X' signs with their arms, and a cryptic message scrawled on the photo said "Da Dumpt, Da Dumpt…Sucks 2 Be U."
The 16 airmen, a mix of junior staff and noncommissioned officers, were from Lackland Air Force Base, Tex., and were at Fort Lee training to load and unload military planes.

Air Force officials said an investigation found that the photo was meant as an inside joke about the dangers of loading and unloading cargo — not to mock fallen soldiers, the Air Force Times reported.

"The investigation indicated that the photo was intended by those who took it to remind the students that they could be killed if they failed to pay attention while loading and unloading aircraft," Air Force investigators said in statement.

The "Da Dumpt" message was meant as a reference to the sound cargo makes when it it's loaded into an aircraft, and the chains and the rope are used to secure the cargo, a spokesman told the Times.

The Times first reported on the investigation into the photo in December during a particularly sensitive time for the Air Force.

In November, the Washington Post reported that officials at the Dover Air Force base mortuary, the main point of entry for dead soldiers coming from overseas, had dumped cremated remains of some fallen heroes in a Virginia landfill.

Though there was no criminal wrongdoing, the 37th Training Wing at Lackland Air Force Base, which ordered the investigation, said the airmen in the photo received "administrative punishment" for their conduct, the Times said.


This from the same service that concluded in a different investigation "...had Haney not been distracted by trying to breathe, he would have recognized the unusual attitude..." :bash:

Pathetic.
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 02:27 PM

Wow... just WOW!!! I can say two things about these ass clowns and the "findings" from Big Blue...

1) I have been moving cargo for my entire career. We definitely use chains and cargo straps to tie stuff down, but I have yet to see rope ever used for anything. Not sure the noose is an approved tie down method for anything for port dawgs or loadmasters!!!

2) If these guys want to joke about this stuff then maybe they need to add a little field trip 4 hrs up the road from Ft Lee to Dover to see what goes on up there. They wouldn't even have to schedule it, just drive up there on any given day and wait for the next hero to be flown home in a transfer case... it shouldn't take long as it tends to be a daily occurrence. Maybe these scum bags could get to see what I've seen far too many times standing on the DV parking spot in front of the Pax Terminal. They could stand in a formation and watch the honor guard carry the flag draped transfer case down the ramp of the C-17. They could see if they had the military bearing to hold it together when the 5 yr old little girl watches them walk by and says to her young crying mother, "Is that Daddy?" The same little girl who won't have Daddy to tell her how proud he is of her at her high school graduation or walk her down the aisle at her wedding. Maybe they won't think its so funny when they see the 10 yr old boy with tears in his eyes salute his Dad when the honor guard passes by wondering who is going to teach him how to throw that curve ball this summer or take him on his camping trip. I wonder how funny they would think it was when they saw a bunch of Navy Seals or Delta Team do everything they can to hold it together as they see their best friends carried off... guys that were killed standing right next to them days before.

This is what happens when AF Management puts some useless masters degree or the length of your socks in a PT uniform on their priority list. I too am “obviously displeased” by what you feel is important these days Big Blue!!!
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 02:31 PM

I don't think the casket picture is even remotely acceptable, but are you fellas seriously saying it is a crime?
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 03:05 PM

Well put, Rusty. Those cases are not props for your stupid fucking "class photo" after your two-week or however long tech school. They are transfer cases used to carry heroes from the battlefield back home.


It was inappropriate. People have been booted out of the AF for less, and for things that gained a hell of a lot less publicity than this thing.
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