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Hired Guard July 2017

Enlisted Aug 2017

FC1 Oct 2017, Approved Jan 2018

Package to NGB Jan 2018

(forms out of date, recruiter failure) resubmit March 2018

(improperly completed form, partly me/partly recruiter) resubmit April 2018 

TFOT and IFT dates May 2018 

UPT TBD (Guard FY19 UPT quotas have not been assigned yet?)

 

Bottom line, if paper work is correct the process can go relatively quickly and smoothly. Double and triple check everything you send to your recruiter. Many things are confusing and no matter how many times you recheck you wont know if you've done it right (your recruiter probably wont either).

Be patient. Be polite. Keep in touch with your POCs and don't quit your civilian job. 

 

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On ‎5‎/‎15‎/‎2018 at 8:41 AM, Sonofabone said:

Hired Guard July 2017

Enlisted Aug 2017

FC1 Oct 2017, Approved Jan 2018

Package to NGB Jan 2018

(forms out of date, recruiter failure) resubmit March 2018

(improperly completed form, partly me/partly recruiter) resubmit April 2018 

TFOT and IFT dates May 2018 

UPT TBD (Guard FY19 UPT quotas have not been assigned yet?)

 

Bottom line, if paper work is correct the process can go relatively quickly and smoothly. Double and triple check everything you send to your recruiter. Many things are confusing and no matter how many times you recheck you wont know if you've done it right (your recruiter probably wont either).

Be patient. Be polite. Keep in touch with your POCs and don't quit your civilian job. 

 

Can you explain the "forms out of date" part for me?  I just submitted mine but my signatures were a few months old because of how long it took for other paperwork to get hashed out.

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10 hours ago, JustHangingOut said:

Can you explain the "forms out of date" part for me?  I just submitted mine but my signatures were a few months old because of how long it took for other paperwork to get hashed out.

There’s no way to know unless you are the recruiter. Headquarters updates forms periodically and if you filled out a form on 01/01/01 and they come out with an updated version on 01/02/01 your original is out of date. 

 

I would suggest you just ask your recruiter to double check you have filled out the most recent version of each form prior to submitting to NGB. 

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2 hours ago, Sonofabone said:

There’s no way to know unless you are the recruiter. Headquarters updates forms periodically and if you filled out a form on 01/01/01 and they come out with an updated version on 01/02/01 your original is out of date. 

 

I would suggest you just ask your recruiter to double check you have filled out the most recent version of each form prior to submitting to NGB. 

Good copy.  I’ll reach out to him in the morning.

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CAANG

Hired: Oct 2017

FC1: January 2018

Package to HQ: Feb 2018

Kicked back for missing initials and resubmit: Mar 2018

Kicked back again for one missing set of initials (interestingly enough, it was to acknowledge that I'm not a line officer. Not sure what that means.) - and resubmit - Mid May 2018

Approved and sent to NGB: End of May 2018

Pending OTS/Pipeline dates: 23 May 2018

Prior-Enlisted (4yrs), transfered to my unit 2 years ago. Hired from within. 

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On 5/15/2018 at 8:41 AM, Sonofabone said:

(forms out of date, recruiter failure) resubmit March 2018

(improperly completed form, partly me/partly recruiter) resubmit April 2018 

 

13 hours ago, HoverHold said:

Package to HQ: Feb 2018

Kicked back for missing initials and resubmit: Mar 2018

Kicked back again for one missing set of initials (interestingly enough, it was to acknowledge that I'm not a line officer. Not sure what that means.) - and resubmit - Mid May 2018

Ok...multiple accounts of things being kicked back twice. Does NGB not review the entire packet before kicking it back? It seems like the moment they find an error they stop the review and send it back to the unit rather than going through everything and noting all fixes required.

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Ok...multiple accounts of things being kicked back twice. Does NGB not review the entire packet before kicking it back? It seems like the moment they find an error they stop the review and send it back to the unit rather than going through everything and noting all fixes required.

I think I’m on my 6th attempt to get it through state HQ without a clerical error. Can’t speak to what the NGB does but it’s probably as inefficient as you would think.


Also... because we spoke about it earlier. Don’t need an FC1 to get processed for training dates. Confirmed that directly with NGB.

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21 minutes ago, PilotPitts said:


Also... because we spoke about it earlier. Don’t need an FC1 to get processed for training dates. Confirmed that directly with NGB.
 

That is so painful to hear.

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26 minutes ago, Sit On Acorns said:

 

Ok...multiple accounts of things being kicked back twice. Does NGB not review the entire packet before kicking it back? It seems like the moment they find an error they stop the review and send it back to the unit rather than going through everything and noting all fixes required.

The way my recruiter told me is that the paperwork passes through multiple offices during the approval process.  It is reasonable to assume that each office only reviews the information in their lane, instead of one office doing a full top to bottom scrub.

23 minutes ago, PilotPitts said:


Also... because we spoke about it earlier. Don’t need an FC1 to get processed for training dates. Confirmed that directly with NGB.
 

What verbiage do I need to tell my recruiter when this time comes so we can get this going?  Do you have this in writing so I could show this to my recruiter?  I would love to get dates in line as soon as my packet approval is done (fingers crossed for a first time go).

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What verbiage do I need to tell my recruiter when this time comes so we can get this going?  Do you have this in writing so I could show this to my recruiter?  I would love to get dates in line as soon as my packet approval is done (fingers crossed for a first time go).


The required documents needed to be sent to NGB are in the “Line- Officer Appointment Checklist. Not sure where to find it online but if you PM me an email address I can send you the copy I have.

As far as confirmation from NGB....

“Officer appointment packages do not include the FC1!!! PLEASE DO NOT hold up the package waiting for the FC1.”

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1 minute ago, PilotPitts said:

 

 


The required documents needed to be sent to NGB are in the “Line- Officer Appointment Checklist. Not sure where to find it online but if you PM me an email address I can send you the copy I have.

As far as confirmation from NGB....

“Officer appointment packages do not include the FC1!!! PLEASE DO NOT hold up the package waiting for the FC1.”
 

 

Messaging, and thanks for the quote. 

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51 minutes ago, Sit On Acorns said:

 

Ok...multiple accounts of things being kicked back twice. Does NGB not review the entire packet before kicking it back? It seems like the moment they find an error they stop the review and send it back to the unit rather than going through everything and noting all fixes required.

Speaking from the Guard side of the house, and with a very basic understanding of the process: HQ and NGB are two different things that I think a lot of individuals confuse with one another and use interchangeably. Once your package leaves your Wing (Your assigned base), it heads up to your respective state headquarters (HQ). It is reviewed, and if you're lucky, kicked back for corrections. If not, it's approved and sent on to NGB. 

Once it's approved at HQ, its sent to NGB in Washington D.C. Everything SHOULD be 100% by the time it gets to NGB (but hey, sometimes, AF  gonna AF). They give it a final once over, align dates, approve funding, and publish your appointment letter.  

Bingo, bango.

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1 hour ago, PilotPitts said:

“Officer appointment packages do not include the FC1!!! PLEASE DO NOT hold up the package waiting for the FC1.”

Sure, officers don't need an FC1. But how would they schedule IFT & UPT without the FC1 & MFS?

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Sure, officers don't need an FC1. But how would they schedule IFT & UPT without the FC1 & MFS?

They wouldn’t. At least to my knowledge.

I’m saying you can submit all your stuff to get dates for both prior to the FC1 being stamped by AETC. I’ve been waiting 4 months for my FC1 which I did this week. They could have submitted my commissioning package to allow it to route concurrent with my 4 month wait for the FC1. Instead they are just now submitting (or attempting to) the package with the wait time for routing now in series with the wait for the FC1 essentially doubling the amount of time it could have all been done in.

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On 5/24/2018 at 12:00 PM, PilotPitts said:


They wouldn’t. At least to my knowledge.

I’m saying you can submit all your stuff to get dates for both prior to the FC1 being stamped by AETC. I’ve been waiting 4 months for my FC1 which I did this week. They could have submitted my commissioning package to allow it to route concurrent with my 4 month wait for the FC1. Instead they are just now submitting (or attempting to) the package with the wait time for routing now in series with the wait for the FC1 essentially doubling the amount of time it could have all been done in.

NGB won't shed you for UPT until you're g2g with your FC1.  

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Has anyone here had to submit an Aeronautical Review Board (ARB) packet as part of their accessions? I’m getting ready to separate from the Army and I’m being told that I cannot take my oath (scroll is approved and 1288 is signed) until my ARB is approved, but I can’t find anything in the AFI that says it must be approved, just that I have to go through one out of AFI 36-2005 paragraph 7.4.5 current as of August 2017. Any clarity or help would be appreciated! Thanks!! 

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1 hour ago, NavionHawk said:

Has anyone here had to submit an Aeronautical Review Board (ARB) packet as part of their accessions? I’m getting ready to separate from the Army and I’m being told that I cannot take my oath (scroll is approved and 1288 is signed) until my ARB is approved, but I can’t find anything in the AFI that says it must be approved, just that I have to go through one out of AFI 36-2005 paragraph 7.4.5 current as of August 2017. Any clarity or help would be appreciated! Thanks!! 

I’m doing one but I am doing it after I swear in with the new unit

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Reserve heavy squadron, off the street.

MEPS: August 2017

Interview/Hired: September 2017

FC1: January 2018

Selected by the May AFRC UPT Board.

I spoke with the folks at the 340th FTG, and they told me I will probably go to  TFOT in September 2018 and UPT sometime early 2019.

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Hey guys, rated timeline with an Age waiver here. Just got my dates and figured I'd send this out. 
FC-1- April 2017

FC-1 Approved- June 2017 (They thought I might need a waiver, didnt)

Age/Time in Service Waiver submitted- July 2017

Said Waiver sent to NGB- October 2017

Said Waiver Approved- April 2018

UPT Dates Received- 10 July 2018

UPT Start Date- 1 November 2018

Best of luck to you guys. 

MH

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On 5/24/2018 at 9:17 AM, Sit On Acorns said:

 

Ok...multiple accounts of things being kicked back twice. Does NGB not review the entire packet before kicking it back? It seems like the moment they find an error they stop the review and send it back to the unit rather than going through everything and noting all fixes required.

If they do anything like the policy or instruction review I’ve seen in the contracting world, as soon as they find an error, they stop reading and send it back.

It’s a crazy practice, but it sounds like that could be what happened here.

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Clarity

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18 hours ago, MountainHerc said:

Hey guys, rated timeline with an Age waiver here. Just got my dates and figured I'd send this out. 
FC-1- April 2017

FC-1 Approved- June 2017 (They thought I might need a waiver, didnt)

Age/Time in Service Waiver submitted- July 2017

Said Waiver sent to NGB- October 2017

Said Waiver Approved- April 2018

UPT Dates Received- 10 July 2018

UPT Start Date- 1 November 2018

Best of luck to you guys. 

MH

 

Are you already an Officer? No OTS dates. 

 

Looks like there is finally some movement up at NGB. 

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On 4/25/2018 at 12:35 PM, FlyArmy said:

-Oct 2017 hired by reserve unit. 

-Nov MEPS 

-Feb FC1

-Feb - Waivers for age/commissioned service signed by NAF/CC

-Mar AFRC board 

-Jan 2019 UPT

Caveat - AFRC apparently only has fighter slots at Sheppard...none at other UPT bases. AFRC had a May ENJPPT slot for a Jan board select and apparently no more ENJJPT slots until 2019. So I guess it depends when in the year you finish the AFRC board and what their T38 track availability is. Perhaps that varies year to year. 

Prior Army?

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4 hours ago, HoverHold said:

Are you already an Officer? No OTS dates. 

 

Looks like there is finally some movement up at NGB. 

Yeah. Currently a nav. I heard through the rumor mill that NGB was getting a lot of flak from units who were waiting over a year with guys chambered to go but we’re waiting on waivers. 

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