Getting this thread back on topic....

KEND had an international PCS from KCBM in order to do T-38's due to all the delays they are dealing with down there.

15 hours ago, YoungnDumb said:

END 17-14 Track

8 AD T-38's

2 INTL T-38's

1 Helo

10 T-1's

There was only one international student in that class at Vance.

2 hours ago, YoungnDumb said:

Getting this thread back on topic....

KEND had an international PCS from KCBM in order to do T-38's due to all the delays they are dealing with down there.

I'm sure that was the smoothest happening in the world.

3 hours ago, YoungnDumb said:

Getting this thread back on topic....

KEND had an international PCS from KCBM in order to do T-38's due to all the delays they are dealing with down there.

That student was slotted to go to Vance well before any delays had begun to affect timeline.

1 hour ago, Ulysses said:

So END gets a lot more 38s than CBM here in this drop. Is that solely due to issues at CBM (chiefly maintenance, as someone said) or are there other factors? My old CC explained it to me that you're not really competing for tracks against students at your base and your base alone -- you're essentially competing against the 60-90 students at all three bases. Is this the case? And are they still PCSing guys down to Sheppard to take the pressure off the 38 manning at the other bases?

Solid attitude man, thanks for the advice. Need to keep that in mind myself. Best of luck when it comes to drop night in a few months!

You aren't being racked and stacked against other UPT bases for advanced phase.

AETC determines the numbers based on a multitude of factors.

10 hours ago, HeloDude said:

There was only one international student in that class at Vance.

There was one that stood up for the Track Select, the other was not part of Track Select as he arrived that morning so he could start T-38's with the class the next day.

35 minutes ago, YoungnDumb said:

There was one that stood up for the Track Select, the other was not part of Track Select as he arrived that morning so he could start T-38's with the class the next day.

So there was only 1 international student of Vance's class 17-14 that track selected on Wed...

EN 17-04

Active
F-35A x 2 
F-22A x 2 
F-16 x 8 
F-15E x 1
F-15C x 1 
A-10 x 1
T-6 FAIP x 1
T-38 FAIP x 1
C-17 x 3

Guard
A-10 x 1

Reserve
C-130 x 1

Foreign
German Eurofighter x 1
German Tornado x 1
German T-6 FAIP x 1

13 hours ago, Sparkle said:

EN 17-04

Active
F-35A x 2 
F-22A x 2 
F-16 x 8 
F-15E x 1
F-15C x 1 
A-10 x 1
T-6 FAIP x 1
T-38 FAIP x 1
C-17 x 3

Guard
A-10 x 1

Reserve
C-130 x 1

Foreign
German Eurofighter x 1
German Tornado x 1
German T-6 FAIP x 1

Gawd dayum..."You're bottom of your class....here's a compensatory C-17"

Gawd dayum..."You're bottom of your class....here's a compensatory C-17"

Who said they were bottom of the class?


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All that time spent learning how to get ATIS by yourself...wasted.

1 hour ago, Duck said:

Who said they were bottom of the class?


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Valid.  Even better..."You're the bottom of your class, here's an F-16".  Either way, that's a helluva drop. 

1 hour ago, 08Dawg said:

Valid.  Even better..."You're the bottom of your class, here's an F-16".  Either way, that's a helluva drop. 

Imagine the faip dudes seeing their buddies  get these drops..

Edited March 11, 20178 yr by argo

Fighter pipe is full... all 38 trained FAIPs standby for B-52s...


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The T-6 FAIP had that at #1 on his sheet. From what I understand, only 1 of the 3 C-17s was not by choice. Interestingly enough the dude who got the C model didn't have it in his top 5, he had the C-17 as #4... fun fact, the guy who dropped the raptor in the last class is the identical twin brother of one of the raptor's from this class.

Edited March 12, 20178 yr by Sparkle
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On 3/11/2017 at 3:46 PM, Duck said:

Fighter pipe is full... all 38 trained FAIPs standby for B-52s...
 

I heard the F-16 pipeline is getting backed up with all the drops lately. Are other FTU's getting backed up as well?

On 3/9/2017 at 8:42 PM, Thor said:

Are T-1s seeing the same backup issues at CBM?

T-1 dudes in my old class (I washed back as part of the 38 issues) are projected to grad on time. They're still not sure if they get to do the mission fam Checkride though, that part of the syllabus got cut when they were having maintainence delays awhile back and is in the process of coming back. 

This is 2008 all over again. Slamming through as many students as we can find into the 11F pipe, only to be faced with a "2-year wait" for B course and completely shutting the pipeline off for the following 3 years while we played catch up, only to create a bathtub for 11Fs during those year groups while "overmanning" the MAF by 175% and RIFing those groups 2-3 times in the last 8 years.

Although this time so many guys are bailing at the 10 year point, there will be no RIF...

This s#it is getting old man.

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Dumb question alert. Does this mean the pendulum will probably start to swing much quicker than before with regard to frequency of CAF vs MAF drops? It seems somewhat plausible to me (a completely uninformed wannabe), given the big 11FX shortage with a training pipeline that's incapable of handling the mass influx needed to alleviate it.

Edited March 13, 20178 yr by mb1685

14 hours ago, Spaceballs said:

I heard the F-16 pipeline is getting backed up with all the drops lately. Are other FTU's getting backed up as well?

I've been doing the math for the F-22 pipeline (worst case scenario since production was cut early into its life). I've seen 1-2 raptors drop every ENJJPT class, plus one or two every so often from the other bases. There are only 186 Raptors, and assuming an optimistic "up jet" status of 80%... I see two lines converging very quickly. Maybe @11F could shed light on how backed up the F-22 pipeline is so that my pure speculation isn't taken as fact.

Edited March 13, 20178 yr by tk1313

29 minutes ago, tk1313 said:

I've been doing the math for the F-22 pipeline (worst case scenario since production was cut early into its life). I've seen 1-2 raptors drop every ENJJPT class, plus one or two every so often from the other bases. There are only 186 Raptors, and assuming an optimistic "up jet" status of 80%... I see two lines converging very quickly. Maybe @11F could shed light on how backed up the F-22 pipeline is so that my pure speculation isn't taken as fact.

Are you assuming a certain pilot-to-jet ratio?

It's the perfect storm, worse than 2010-2013, because we are running out of Instructors in all airframes, but especially fighters. Shortening the B-courses will only put more strain on the actual combat units. Amazing what driving your people into the ground for 10 years will do.

I'm also seeing a large swing in guys that don't want to fly fighters. More guys are putting heavies up near the top. An unforeseen consequence of the lack of 11F presence in Phase II I would imagine as well as the ability to quickly build hours in the MAF. I also see more younger guys already building exit plans from AD.

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Snap question:

Since IFF and B courses are so backed up, what do the new 11Fs do until their class starts?

2 minutes ago, Bobsan said:

Are you assuming a certain pilot-to-jet ratio?

No, mainly because shoving more pilots into a single jet doesn't solve your problem. Eventually, the "good flyer" jets will have to go into phase inspections and the like (365/728). Plus, I'm pretty sure the stealth upkeep requires more time in the hangar per flight hour.

10 minutes ago, Thor said:

Snap question:

Since IFF and B courses are so backed up, what do the new 11Fs do until their class starts?

 Chronic masterbation