Yeah, saw that earlier. I'm just hoping the timeline doesn't change with all of the stupid force shaping shenanigans.

Yeah, saw that earlier. I'm just hoping the timeline doesn't change with all of the stupid force shaping shenanigans.

If I am trying to get something complete prior to by O5 board.. what is typically the latest I can complete it and have it make it on my record?

I would think it depends on what you are working on. I'm still waiting on AFPC to adjust my duty titles, which apparently only gets done in batches now. I've only been waiting 9 months...

Your training report (or lack of) will give away your SOS in-residence status.

When the rules they are given (AFI 36-2501) are re-written to forbid using it in their rack-and-stack. Although, this is still in work, it has been specifically addressed by CSAF.

So, sometime in 2017?

Your training report (or lack of) will give away your SOS in-residence status.

I heard that those reports will now end up as "Data Masked."

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Then what's the point of the training report?

I heard that those reports will now end up as "Data Masked."

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Where did you hear that?

Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App!

Where did you hear that?

Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App!

Guys...clearly he is full of shizz here. Data masked? Then how would the DG's take their vector to the moon?

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A new era for the promotion process is here. Gen Welsh made it happen and the O-6s/O-5s are in the process of getting educated on the new requirements. SOS source and timing are now masked for selection board.

Go to MYPERS and look up PSDM 14-70 - CY14D Colonel Nurse Corps (NC) P0614D and CY14C Major Line of Air Force (LAF) P0414C Central Selection Board (CSB).

There is also a PPT floating around on some of the changes.

"Beginning with boards convening 1 Dec 14 or later, Academic Education will be masked for all Line of the Air Force (LAF) Major and Lt Colonel Boards."

I heard that those reports will now end up as "Data Masked."

PME source (res/corr) and AAD info on the DQHB will be masked. Your training reports will not be pulled from your file though.

So in-res PME will likely be an even larger discriminator now. Welcome to the new era... Same as the old.

Chuck

PME source (res/corr) and AAD info on the DQHB will be masked. Your training reports will not be pulled from your file though.

So in-res PME will likely be an even larger discriminator now. Welcome to the new era... Same as the old.

Chuck

Isn't vast majority of O-3's planned to be in-res though? Is that not a good discriminator now?

Isn't vast majority of O-3's planned to be in-res though? Is that not a good discriminator now?

That seems to be the intent, for 99% of people to go in-res. But we all know how well it's worked out in the past from intent to execution.

In the addendum to the PDE AFI it states that all Capts with the exception of MC and DC will be required to attend in-res. However, senior raters have the ability to block underperforming officers from attending in-res SOS.

The way I take that is that in-res will become more of a discriminator. Not going or doing correspondence will mean your senior rater actually blocked you from going in-res.

yes,

It really seems like the CMSAF is coming through on a bunch of this stuff. And doing it in a way that will last instead of just issuing a memo or talking about it. AFI's are getting changed, and solid guidance to senior raters.

At least that's how I take it.

In the addendum to the PDE AFI it states that all Capts with the exception of MC and DC will be required to attend in-res. However, senior raters have the ability to block underperforming officers from attending in-res SOS.

The way I take that is that in-res will become more of a discriminator. Not going or doing correspondence will mean your senior rater actually blocked you from going in-res.

Perhaps, but if you are so under-performing your senior rater won't send you to SOS, then you probably don't have much longer in the AF anyway.

Perhaps, but if you are so under-performing your senior rater won't send you to SOS, then you probably don't have much longer in the AF anyway.

Yeah, except for the SR who's going to refuse to send a guy because he has a Q3 in his FEF. It's still a one mistake Air Force.

Isn't vast majority of O-3's planned to be in-res though? Is that not a good discriminator now?

Think about the next step... IDE/SDE. In-res will now be an even larger discriminator for the next highest grade, IMHO. But for the bump to major, yeah, it's exactly as you describe it - a non-factor really.

Chuck

Yeah, except for the SR who's going to refuse to send a guy because he has a Q3 in his FEF. It's still a one mistake Air Force.

If he's going to refuse to send him to SOS, what do you suppose he's going to put on the PRF?

If he's going to refuse to send him to SOS, what do you suppose he's going to put on the PRF?

It's unlikely that the same guy will still be the SR by the time your PRF is due.

Think about the next step... IDE/SDE. In-res will now be an even larger discriminator for the next highest grade, IMHO. But for the bump to major, yeah, it's exactly as you describe it - a non-factor really.

Chuck

Yes IDE/SDE in-res are going to be huge, but the real question is how will an officer be evaluated for IDE/SDE vector/push?

Gen Welsh's intent is to get rid of the box-checking mentality (AAD, SOS in-res) and evaluate/promote junior officers based on performance. Promotion selection process has changed, the mid-level dudes/dudettes need to evaluate officers based on job performance instead of new box-checking criteria (such as volunteer, PT history) or this is a wasted effort.

My 2 cents.

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Promotion selection process has changed, the mid-level dudes/dudettes need to evaluate officers based on job performance instead of new box-checking criteria (such as volunteer, PT history) or this is a wasted effort.

I think that's the whole point.

It goes back to Chuck's earlier comment about nothing has changed.

So in-res PME will likely be an even larger discriminator now. Welcome to the new era... Same as the old.

Chuck

What really needs to be masked is commissioning source. But we will have squadrons that fly pigs before that happens.

What really needs to be masked is commissioning source. But we will have squadrons that fly pigs before that happens.

Huh? Really?

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