May 31, 20178 yr It is absolutely stunning to me it will be June tomorrow and it still isn't out. I don't buy the "it's because there isn't a budget yet" argument whatsoever. I still put this squarely on the Air Force. If it were a priority, some flag officer would have made sure this gets included in the CR or attached with other spending. Rumor has it the 15 year TAFMS restriction will still be in place for AFRC folks. I got some more info...paraphrase to protect the innocent:The Senate Armed Services Committee has questions about retention they want answered before they allow the Air Force to release this bonus. It is not due to budget issues as I previously stated.Reading between the lines...AF tells Congress that they need to throw more money at the problem. Panel of aviators recently told Congress "it isn't about the money." So, Congress doesn't want to spend the money since they don't think it will fix aviator retention.
May 31, 20178 yr 2 minutes ago, ThreeHoler said: I got some more info...paraphrase to protect the innocent: The Senate Armed Services Committee has questions about retention they want answered before they allow the Air Force to release this bonus. It is not due to budget issues as I previously stated. Reading between the lines...AF tells Congress that they need to throw more money at the problem. Panel of aviators recently told Congress "it isn't about the money." So, Congress doesn't want to spend the money since they don't think it will fix aviator retention. That's no bueno. Even making a flying squadron have a fully staffed CSS, there's the fact of deployments, lack of assignment control, just general AF buffoonery. It's hard to not go to the airlines from a pure finance/QoL standpoint
May 31, 20178 yr It is absolutely stunning to me it will be June tomorrow and it still isn't out. I don't buy the "it's because there isn't a budget yet" argument whatsoever. I still put this squarely on the Air Force. If it were a priority, some flag officer would have made sure this gets included in the CR or attached with other spending. Rumor has it the 15 year TAFMS restriction will still be in place for AFRC folks. I think they're delaying because if they fail to release it at $35K, they will have severe blowback. Maybe most bonus takers would still take it at 25, but some will be, understandably, pissed off. It also furthers the message that HAF can't get their shit together. If they can't get funding for an amount that Congress already authorized, how are they supposed to make any of the other fundamental changes needed to improve retention? Rolled-up sleeves and CSS are a laughable start. If they can't offer the 35 this year, they'd better consider offering the rumored 1 and 2 year options. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
May 31, 20178 yr 3 hours ago, ThreeHoler said: So, Congress doesn't want to spend the money since they don't think it will fix aviator retention. This is exactly what the "it's not about the money" line gets you. Of course it's about the money. It's also about some other stuff. So let's stop saying its not about the money.
May 31, 20178 yr This is exactly what the "it's not about the money" line gets you. Of course it's about the money. It's also about some other stuff. So let's stop saying its not about the money. If money is unimportant, the pay charts on airlinepilotcentral wouldn't be frequented on .mil computers during the workday...Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
May 31, 20178 yr If money is unimportant, the pay charts on airlinepilotcentral wouldn't be frequented on .mil computers during the workday...Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkEvery career has its attractive qualities. Getting rich was really never an attraction for me when I decided to join the military and I'd be willing to bet just about everyone here can agree. Flying cool Jets and executing the mission in the world's best Air Force was by far my number one reason. Is the money decent as an officer in the military? Yes. For the airlines on the other hand the attractiveness is very few days at work for a lot of dollars in the bank. Flying a bunch of whiny grumpy passengers around the world is not something I'm looking forward to. Eating airport food is not something I'm looking forward to.Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk
May 31, 20178 yr 50 minutes ago, Gazmo said: Every career has its attractive qualities. Getting rich was really never an attraction for me when I decided to join the military and I'd be willing to bet just about everyone here can agree. Flying cool Jets and executing the mission in the world's best Air Force was by far my number one reason. Is the money decent as an officer in the military? Yes. For the airlines on the other hand the attractiveness is very few days at work for a lot of dollars in the bank. Flying a bunch of whiny grumpy passengers around the world is not something I'm looking forward to. Eating airport food is not something I'm looking forward to. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk Minneapolis had a sushi bar in their airport. I didn't join for the money either. Yet, I turned down the bonus hoping for a 1-2 year option. Asking me for 5 years is like offering me $100K for my dog. It ain't happening. Edited May 31, 20178 yr by hatedont
May 31, 20178 yr Money is the easy fix. The other problems causing the exodus are much more engrained in the AF bureaucracy. So if the AF isn't able to accomplish the easy part of the equation, just how in the hell do they expect us to believe they'll fix the more complex issues?
May 31, 20178 yr 31 minutes ago, flyusaf83 said: Money is the easy fix. The other problems causing the exodus are much more engrained in the AF bureaucracy. So if the AF isn't able to accomplish the easy part of the equation, just how in the hell do they expect us to believe they'll fix the more complex issues? Ditto! The dam is broken and the money/bonus is one of the nearest sandbags the village management (AF) can stack against the hole. Would those $$ sandbags stop all the concerned villagers from leaving? No, it will not but it will give some of them pause that those in charge of the village realize the situation is dire. Those $$ sandbags will also help change the narrative that management actually cares about this damn village and just maybe some of those concerned villagers will remain as management keeps plugging the hole with more of the easier fixes as they work out the hard "bureaucratic" ones.
May 31, 20178 yr 54 minutes ago, flyusaf83 said: Money is the easy fix Obviously not easy enough since the pay hasn't changed in a generation. The bonus to 20 YAS was a good start but the DoD and AF need to address fly pay, you know, the pay you get every month to make your job comparable to non AF flying. I get that nobody wants to say they joined for the money. I joined for the money. I also joined to get a retirement at 20 years. I also love my country but I don't work for free. There is a price where the AF would stop bleeding talent. They are either unable or unwilling to pay for it. Fix the money. Then fix the rest of the stupid stuff.
May 31, 20178 yr 2 hours ago, hatedont said: Minneapolis had a sushi bar in their airport. I didn't join for the money either. Yet, I turned down the bonus hoping for a 1-2 year option. Asking me for 5 years is like offering me $100K for my dog. It ain't happening. So you said "no2bonus"? Hmm...
June 1, 20178 yr Minneapolis had a sushi bar in their airport. I didn't join for the money either. Yet, I turned down the bonus hoping for a 1-2 year option. Asking me for 5 years is like offering me $100K for my dog. It ain't happening.100k for a dog? And you wouldn't take that? Your post in the other thread was equally head scratching.
June 1, 20178 yr So if the AF isn't able to accomplish the easy part of the equation, just how in the hell do they expect us to believe they'll fix the more complex issues? ...if I can't trust you to do the small things, how am I going to trust you to do the big stuff? Bendy Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums
June 1, 20178 yr 9 hours ago, tk1313 said: So you said "no2bonus"? Hmm... It's a good thing for him there's no boots on the ramp policy, or else he "cantfly" Edit to add: I just noticed that cantfly has been giving positive reputation to hatedont. Nice try dude, stop liking your own posts. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited June 1, 20178 yr by Guest
June 1, 20178 yr 8 hours ago, Warrior said: 100k for a dog? And you wouldn't take that? Your post in the other thread was equally head scratching. No, why would I sell my hound for $100K. Would you sell your kid for $100K? Edited June 1, 20178 yr by hatedont
June 1, 20178 yr No, why would I sell my hound for $100K. Would you sell your kid for $100K?Depends, can I go down to the local kid shelter and pick out a new cuter one? Does the kid shed? Incidentally today I was upset when a kid owner let his kid piss on my tire while he was walking his kid. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums
June 1, 20178 yr 26 minutes ago, di1630 said: Depends, can I go down to the local kid shelter and pick out a new cuter one? Does the kid shed? Incidentally today I was upset when a kid owner let his kid piss on my tire while he was walking his kid. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums Are you Javale Mcgee? Are you drunk? Edited June 1, 20178 yr by hatedont
June 1, 20178 yr 17 minutes ago, hatedont said: Are you Javale Mcgee? Are you drunk? And apparently you're also LastDragon. Or he's your soulmate because only a complete moron would like this post^ How many accounts are you going to burn through before you take a hint?
June 1, 20178 yr Author 1 hour ago, hatedont said: Are you Javale Mcgee? Are you drunk? Holy shit if that's not the pot calling the kettle black.
June 1, 20178 yr No, why would I sell my hound for $100K. Would you sell your kid for $100K?I'd sell my wife for $100k
June 1, 20178 yr 8 minutes ago, gonefishin said: I'd sell my wife for $100k You're half right it would cost you at least $100K to sell your wife
June 1, 20178 yr You're half right it would cost you at least $100K to sell your wife Ops tested Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
June 4, 20178 yr Just heard through the Bomber functional at AFPC...the SECAF is announcing the details of the FY17 bonus tomorrow and the PSDM will be up at 0800 CDT Tuesday. No details other than there is going to be some quote-unquote good news.
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