On 12/12/2025 at 8:45 AM, SocialD said:

I happen to be in Ann Arbor for the week, I should swing by the cop shop to see the media mess. Even as a Buckeye, I hate to see this downfall. What a mess he's made! Hopefully he finds his center and remembers he still has kids that need him.

As an aside, if your family ever needs significant pediatric care, you'd be remiss if you didn't explore the University of Michigan medical center. This place is outstanding!

Must’ve missed your second paragraph initially. I pray all is well for your family.

On 1/1/2026 at 12:12 PM, VMFA187 said:

I don't like being a hater, but please let anyone but Miami win the NC.

My wife, who graduated from FSU was pulling for Miami just like I did for FSU like when they were unjustly left out. Oh well haters gonna hate...hope it keeps you warm at night...

Of the remaining four I will be happy if any one of them wins but Oregon.

Miami's defense was swarming and violent at the point of attack. Indiana is a freaking machine. Ole Miss is a Cinderella story and F@ck Lane Kiffin.

1 hour ago, ClearedHot said:

My wife, who graduated from FSU was pulling for Miami just like I did for FSU like when they were unjustly left out. Oh well haters gonna hate...hope it keeps you warm at night...

Of the remaining four I will be happy if any one of them wins but Oregon.

Miami's defense was swarming and violent at the point of attack. Indiana is a freaking machine. Ole Miss is a Cinderella story and F@ck Lane Kiffin.

Yeah, their defense looks stout.

I'd root for Miami if my wife went there, but she didn't. Would you ever root for the gators?

I think it'd be pretty awesome if Indiana wins personally. However, whoever wins certainly deserves it with how many games are played now.

1 hour ago, VMFA187 said:

Yeah, their defense looks stout.

I'd root for Miami if my wife went there, but she didn't. Would you ever root for the gators?

I think it'd be pretty awesome if Indiana wins personally. However, whoever wins certainly deserves it with how many games are played now.

I did pull for UF years ago....M2 and several really good friends went there, plus I pull for Florida schools over scrubs like Bama, Auburn and Neutered Lame.

1 hour ago, ClearedHot said:

I did pull for UF years ago....M2 and several really good friends went there, plus I pull for Florida schools over scrubs like Bama, Auburn and Neutered Lame.

I guess you're just of superior character when compared to myself.

Good luck!

On 1/1/2026 at 7:34 PM, O Face said:

Must’ve missed your second paragraph initially. I pray all is well for your family.

All is well, thank you so much! 2 year old granddaughter had open heart surgery on a Thursday morning. She was skipping out of the hospital by noon Sunday. Modern medicine is a miracle!

11 hours ago, SocialD said:

All is well, thank you so much! 2 year old granddaughter had open heart surgery on a Thursday morning. She was skipping out of the hospital by noon Sunday. Modern medicine is a miracle!

That is wonderful news!!

11 hours ago, SocialD said:

All is well, thank you so much! 2 year old granddaughter had open heart surgery on a Thursday morning. She was skipping out of the hospital by noon Sunday. Modern medicine is a miracle!

That’s nuts. Indeed it is.

We will see how this plays out...Florida QB DJ Lagway Linked to Surprising SEC School in Transfer Portal

On 1/3/2026 at 5:34 AM, SocialD said:

All is well, thank you so much! 2 year old granddaughter had open heart surgery on a Thursday morning. She was skipping out of the hospital by noon Sunday. Modern medicine is a miracle!

Puts every thing else in perspective. Thankful for this outcome.

On 1/4/2026 at 6:15 AM, ClearedHot said:

We will see how this plays out...Florida QB DJ Lagway Linked to Surprising SEC School in Transfer Portal

They can have him! Lagway's a quitter who didn't like how Sumrall was challenging his desire to play and commitment to the team. Now we know Sumrall was right! Lagway dealt with multiple injuries (sports hernia surgery, shoulder issues, calf strain), threw 14 interceptions in 2025 and struggled with consistency. Adios!

Sorry but I had to post it.

Congratulations @ClearedHot

You guys look really solid. Sounds like about 25 years is the rate at which non-dynasty programs require to put another NC in the bank (Michigan.) Maybe I'll root for you guys so I can start FSU's clock - 2038 here we come!

Or USC in 2028.

1 hour ago, VMFA187 said:

Congratulations @ClearedHot

You guys look really solid. Sounds like about 25 years is the rate at which non-dynasty programs require to put another NC in the bank (Michigan.) Maybe I'll root for you guys so I can start FSU's clock - 2038 here we come!

Or USC in 2028.

Miami started strong but Ole Miss made some great adjustments and it turned into an epic battle. I was really torn because...F@ck Lane Kiffin. Was great to see Beck get some redemption with the run in touchdown.

Tonight will be interesting, Indiana is a freaking machine but Oregon played them tough the first game. Planning on going to Miami for the Championship but tickets are outrageous.

57 minutes ago, ClearedHot said:

Planning on going to Miami for the Championship but tickets are outrageous.

You can afford it. Enjoy the game!

49 minutes ago, HeloDude said:

You can afford it. Enjoy the game!

Concur. This is a once in a decade or multiple decade opportunity. If they win and you don't go you'll regret it forever.

Edited January 9Jan 9 by VMFA187

2 hours ago, HeloDude said:

You can afford it. Enjoy the game!

That is exactly what my son said last night. He can't go, his college starts classes on the 19th, but he thinks I should go.

2 hours ago, VMFA187 said:

Concur. This is a once in a decade or multiple decade opportunity. If they win and you don't go you'll regret it forever.

Sort of, you forget I was on the field for two (87/89), and at the Rose Bowl in Jan 2002 when we crushed Nebraska.

2 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

Sort of, you forget I was on the field for two (87/89), and at the Rose Bowl in Jan 2002 when we crushed Nebraska.

Which is even more of a reason to go!

Indiana is machine!

9 hours ago, Sua Sponte said:

Indiana is machine!

They are but I think Miami can run on them and that will be the key.

I didn't really care who won last night (aside from the implications of Mario playing the program he built), so I watched it with my son and we broke it down like my coaches used to do at Miami.

I think Miami can run up the middle, the A game is where Mario has invested all his stock and it shows especially the A gap. The right side of Miami's O line will all be playing on Sundays, especially Francis Mauigoa who is one of three Miami players expected to go int he first round. Oregon had success running outside on Indiana which was very surprising, their ends were not able to set and lack of speed on the edge could be their only weakness. Their zone left the short slant open which is exactly how Carson Beck picked apart Ohio State and Ole Miss.

On the other side of the ball it is all about getting pressure on Mednoza...that dude can throw the rock...his accuracy is unreal, even when scrambling. It is up to Bain and Mesidor, if they are successful we will have a game.

The last piece is the intangible. If you play the game you can feel it on the field, the way the ball bounces on a fumble or a tip...some days things just go your way. Miami dropped four certain interceptions with Ole Miss. The intangible could play a big part in a close game.

It was a great year (for some), I am proud of my team that almost got left out again, win or lose they should be proud.

Indiana -7.5. That's pretty wild for a team that was 3-9 two years ago.

4 hours ago, VMFA187 said:

Indiana -7.5. That's pretty wild for a team that was 3-9 two years ago.

They should be the favorite, they are very complete team and they've had a dream season. However, they are not perfect with some VERY close games...Old Dominion kept it close and put 14 on them.

And they call Miami the convicts...lol

On 1/18/2026 at 10:25 AM, ClearedHot said:

And they call Miami the convicts...lol

Thanks CH, since that story has been going around for quite some time (yours is not the first time I've seen it posted), I've been meaning to look into it to either substantiate it with facts or put it to bed as disinformation...especially the "One in every three players have spent time in the slammer" comment!

According to my research, the "search‑verified number" is somewhere between 31-41 of the 121 players from the 2008 University of Florida football team who were arrested either during their time at UF or later in life. This figure comes from reporting cited by The New York Times and summarized in multiple outlets, noting that 41 of the 121 players on the national‑championship roster had an arrest record at some point. Other articles discussing the Urban Meyer era confirm widespread arrests but do not contradict the 41‑player total; they simply reference the broader pattern of player misconduct during his tenure. While some sources mention the arrests in the context of the American Sports Story series, they do not provide a different number and instead reinforce that “many players” from the 2008 team had legal issues.

Because the full list of all 41 arrested players is not published anywhere, the only verifiable information comes from publicly documented cases, and aggregate reporting on the types of charges and patterns across Urban Meyer’s teams.

Media reporting on the 41 arrested players describes a wide range of offenses, but only in general categories — not player‑by‑player detail.

·         Alcohol‑related offenses — underage drinking, DUI

·         Disorderly conduct — fights, public disturbances

·         Theft and property crimes — including Cam Newton’s laptop case

·         Assault and battery — several incidents across the roster

·         Weapons charges — including high‑profile cases

·         Felonies committed after UF careers — including violent crimes

·         Domestic incidents — reported in a few cases

·         Drug‑related offenses — possession, paraphernalia

These categories come directly from the reporting that cites the 41 arrests but does not name most players individually.

Only a small number of players from the 2008 roster have publicly documented cases tied to their names in the search results.

The first was Aaron Hernandez, a story no school would be proud of.  Hernandez was charged with murder (Odin Lloyd), weapons charges, assault incidents and multiple violent offenses after leaving UF.  He is the most widely documented case.

When Aaron Hernandez died in 2017, his 2015 murder conviction for Odin Lloyd was automatically vacated under an old Massachusetts legal doctrine called abatement ab initio. That rule wiped out a conviction if a defendant died before their appeals were completed. According to reporting, the court overturned the conviction immediately after his death for that reason.

In 2019, the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court reinstated Hernandez’s murder conviction, ruling that the abatement doctrine was outdated and had never been formally adopted into state law. The court ended the practice entirely and restored the guilty verdict.

But it’s important to note that Hernandez played at UF from 2007–2009 and declared for the NFL Draft after the 2009 season, meaning he effectively left the university in January 2010.  The murder occurred in June 2013, about 3½ years after he left UF!

The most notable other case was Cam Newton, who was arrested at UF for possession of a stolen laptop but charges dropped after pre‑trial intervention and no further criminal issues after leaving UF.

And so you know I’ve done my due diligence, I found a few other arrest reports and their outcome…

Chris Rainey was arrested in 2010 after sending his girlfriend a text message that said “Time to die”, which led to a misdemeanor stalking charge. But the case did not end in a conviction. Prosecutors allowed him to enter a pre‑trial diversion program, and once he completed the required conditions, the charge was dropped.

Jamar Hornsby was convicted for misdemeanor improper use of a credit card, not the original felony charges, making nearly 70 fraudulent charges on a BP gas card belonging to Ashley Slonina, a UF student who died in a motorcycle crash in 2007. He used the card for months after her death.  He got a one-year of probation and paid early $10,000 in restitution and court costs.  Hornsby was a current UF player at the time of the credit‑card incident, but he was immediately dismissed from the team after his arrest.  He later violated his probation by getting into another criminal case (a 2009 simple assault), which resulted in 90 days in Alachua County Jail.

So here’s the key point…no sources actually list another 2008 roster player with a confirmed criminal conviction. They only say “many players were arrested” or “multiple star players were arrested,” but they do not name them or document convictions! 

In this day of FOIA and government transparency, just a list of names would convince me the numbers are valid; but as the New York Times can’t or won’t provide their research results, or even publish the names of the alleged players involved: I am bound to take this reporting with a grain of salt! 

That NYT reporting you shared is the only source of the 41‑player figure claim. Every other article—CNN World Today, Zolentz Entertainment and others—is simply repeating or summarizing that same article!

A bit more than 10 years ago a team was down by more than 10 to come back and win it all… Let’s see what Mario says in the locker room and how they come out.