spaw2001 Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 But I thought the CSAF wanted this to be as fair as possible. Considering they already processed their first batch, approving 380 officers without blinking an eye at the who/where aspect, that wouldn't be "fair" to the rest of us VSPers now would it? Based on that logic, shouldnt everybody in the AF remain eligible and no year groups should close out? What if an 11F wants to separate? Is it unfair that AF needs dictates they are ineligible? Same with location. Why should an 11M manning a critical billet be released when they can just release one in a non-critical/overmanned billet and save backfill PCS costs? Luckily for all applicants, AFPC probably isnt this smart to look this deeply into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thirdcoastsurfer Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 (edited) So I noticed in the latest pulse that it talks about VSP recoupment in the intro but then fails to mention any thing about it later on in the article. My leadership did say the separations chief mentioned they were working with Air Staff on the applications (talk about micromanagement). I suspect the holdup has something to do with the recoupment decisions for educational benefits e.g. medical school, graduate school, and education with industry. The last update to the PSDM said they were waiting on a decisions from HAF for recoupment. Why this would hold everyone else up is beyond me. Edited May 16, 2014 by thirdcoastsurfer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooseAg03 Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Based on that logic, shouldnt everybody in the AF remain eligible and no year groups should close out? What if an 11F wants to separate? Is it unfair that AF needs dictates they are ineligible? Same with location. Why should an 11M manning a critical billet be released when they can just release one in a non-critical/overmanned billet and save backfill PCS costs? Luckily for all applicants, AFPC probably isnt this smart to look this deeply into it. Let's hope they aren't that smart. At my base they could just PCA a few folks around and be good to go. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FUSEPLUG Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 T.C. has been quiet lately. I think he picked a good day to drop his latest article. http://www.jqpublic-blog.com/involuntary-frustration-delays-deception-plague-usaf-drawdown/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerPilot Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 RIF AFPC! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32off Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 Fantastic article! Forward this to your families, friends, news organizations, congressmen, etc. it's time for a congressional investigation into this nonsense. Thank you TC for being a discernible voice among us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audioflyer Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 RIF AFPC! I think we just found our next morale patch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mish_Hacker Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 Fantastic article! Forward this to your families, friends, news organizations, congressmen, etc. it's time for a congressional investigation into this nonsense. Thank you TC for being a discernible voice among us. It would be nice if we didn't have to go outside the service to address the concerns of those within it. Is this what our organization has become? Thousands of officers and enlisted troops can't get resolution or straight answers on a 5-month program until T.C. updates his blog? I really appreciate what he writes and the attention it brings to our situation; I'm just disappointed our organization is either incapable or unwilling to address this internally. Perhaps this feeling of isolation is why so many of us want out. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FUSEPLUG Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 It was brought up internally - to the CSAF directly when he visited Altus two months ago. He feigned concern, made a phone call or two, and what did we get? "The Pulse" which is AFPC's way of being transparent. Thanks, General Welsh. You really nipped that one in the bud. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Hungus Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 It was brought up internally - to the CSAF directly when he visited Altus two months ago. He feigned concern, made a phone call or two, and what did we get? "The Pulse" which is AFPC's way of being transparent. Thanks, General Welsh. You really nipped that one in the bud. But... he gave a great speech at the academy this one time! He wrote a letter to USAFE fighter pilots! He got rid of Blues Monday... sorta! All sarcasm aside, if he won't un-fuck this toxic organization, I'm not sure that anyone will. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32off Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 That would be nice mish hacker, but they have had plenty of opportunities to be transparent with us. Time for checks and balances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitteEinBit Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 It would be nice if we didn't have to go outside the service to address the concerns of those within it. Is this what our organization has become? Thousands of officers and enlisted troops can't get resolution or straight answers on a 5-month program until T.C. updates his blog? I really appreciate what he writes and the attention it brings to our situation; I'm just disappointed our organization is either incapable or unwilling to address this internally. Perhaps this feeling of isolation is why so many of us want out. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Yeah, I say the same thing all the time. All those Master's Degrees out there and no one can figure this shit out? Money well spent for sure... (Yeah, I finally got an AAD line in there!) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornholio5 Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 (edited) When a MAJCOM CC visited my base, the question was brought up about how we were not getting enough information about these Force Management programs. His answer was that is bullshit and that we were getting enough information. Unbelievable... I had a meeting the other day with my CC and asked him about if he had any news on VSP and he went to the politburo (AFPC) website and gave me information that I already knew. It sucks that even our commanders are being kept in the dark. Even though it royally sucks that we cannot even depend on our own employer for accurate information, having this site and T.C. broadcasting out the latest scoop has been extremely beneficial. Edited May 17, 2014 by Cornholio5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32off Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 Love the politiboro reference, Cornholio. Unreal that the majcom/cc you referred to said that. Perfect example of these flag officers protecting themselves and each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunes Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 so....what do we thing the odds are of getting results by the 22nd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chizz Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 If only AFPC would come out and say it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornholio5 Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 so....what do we thing the odds are of getting results by the 22nd? Well, to quote Dumb and Dumber, "more like one out of a million." So you're telling me there's a chance!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shweaty Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 (edited) Sorry Cornholio but I can't resist. "Thats as good as money, sir. Those are I.O.U.s. Go ahead and add it up, every cents accounted for. Look, see this? Thats a car. 275 thou. Might wanna hang onto that one." We need something to laugh about Edited May 18, 2014 by shweaty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamkiller43 Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 So is anyone else dealing with a pcs and a pending vsp app right now? Just curious what everyone else's functional is telling them. '05 11M Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornholio5 Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 (edited) So is anyone else dealing with a pcs and a pending vsp app right now? Just curious what everyone else's functional is telling them. '05 11M Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkDreamkiller, I am in the same boat-2005 11M. I selected that "I have a retirement/separation application in the system" on my ADP since if I am denied VSP, I will attempt the PC route. I asked my functional if I can extend so I can try all separation opportunities and he told me to coordinate with my CC. When I approached my CC, he said that there is no operational need to extend me. I also put in the comments section that I have VSP in now and intend to do the PC route, but I am not sure how much AFPC looks at the comments, or the ADP, anyway. I am attempting to avoid PCS at all costs because I was hired into a reserve gig that is close to where I am stationed now. Keeping my fingers crossed. Should have just applied for PC to begin with... Also, my functional, who I used to fly with and trust, told me that even they are being kept in the dark as far as VSP status goes. We will see... Edited May 19, 2014 by Cornholio5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17D_guy Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 ...When I approached my CC, he said that there is no operational need to extend me.... Wasn't aware that was the only requirement for a CC allowing you to extend. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamkiller43 Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Dreamkiller, I am in the same boat-2005 11M. I selected that "I have a retirement/separation application in the system" on my ADP since if I am denied VSP, I will attempt the PC route. I asked my functional if I can extend so I can try all separation opportunities and he told me to coordinate with my CC. When I approached my CC, he said that there is no operational need to extend me. I also put in the comments section that I have VSP in now and intend to do the PC route, but I am not sure how much AFPC looks at the comments, or the ADP, anyway. I am attempting to avoid PCS at all costs because I was hired into a full-time reserve gig. Keeping my fingers crossed. Should have just applied for PC to begin with... That's interesting. I'm dealing with the exact opposite. My cc agrees with me that I should be extended since I could be better utilized if I remain in place instead of moving twice in a matter of a few months. Unfortunately, the functional doesn't see it that way and says I should move anyway and to "not worry about it because it is on the Air Force's dime anyways." Mover's come on the 26th, and if I don't get approval for an extension by this Thursday, then I'll be making a call to the ig since they aren't following the vsp psdm guidance for people in our situation. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32off Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Is anybody else an '03 11M still waiting on vsp results? Heck, is anyone a 03 11M who was approved vsp or PC for that matter? Ground control to Major Tom? Tell me there is an 03 11M with some good news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeHoler Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Dreamkiller, I am in the same boat-2005 11M. I selected that "I have a retirement/separation application in the system" on my ADP since if I am denied VSP, I will attempt the PC route. I asked my functional if I can extend so I can try all separation opportunities and he told me to coordinate with my CC. When I approached my CC, he said that there is no operational need to extend me. I also put in the comments section that I have VSP in now and intend to do the PC route, but I am not sure how much AFPC looks at the comments, or the ADP, anyway. I am attempting to avoid PCS at all costs because I was hired into a reserve gig that is close to where I am stationed now. Keeping my fingers crossed. Should have just applied for PC to begin with... Also, my functional, who I used to fly with and trust, told me that even they are being kept in the dark as far as VSP status goes. We will see... Supposedly a guy at my base put in for VSP, was denied and PCS'd, and the PC'd on arrival at his new duty station. PCS'd back to the Reserve squadron at my base. Not verified but good source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32off Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 3holer, that is a true story. Fantastic job afpc! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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