February 25, 201411 yr But if you're non-continued, you just get seperation pay (similar to RIF pay) right? The lawsuit from a couple years ago, I never heard they actually won that? So surely the AF doesn't really care about the black eye, as long as it gets the numbers down as cheaply as possible.
February 25, 201411 yr Iiiiiiiiiiiiineresting. This certainly aligns with my belief that the selectively continued officers' eligibility clause means Big Blue really doesn't want us passed-over folks around. Well... except for the fact that every one of them that I know who was a continued pilot and applied when the window was opened has already been denied TERA. Apparently there is one of those pilot shortage things going on... cue Butters.
February 25, 201411 yr Yeah me too...god damn it. In other news this came out FSS: Important guidance regarding TERA (as I'm reading this, if you're twice passed over don't expect to be contined but you will be allowed to apply for retirement): As outlined in the FY14 Force Management program, the Secretary of the Air Force has authorized Temporary Early Retirement Authority, or TERA, to those members eligible to apply. As the CY14 Promotion Board schedule begins, TERA will be available as a part of post-board actions. If a member is a two-time non-select for promotion, is not offered selective continuation, and is TERA-eligible, they will be given the opportunity to apply for TERA after the public release of the promotion listing. Specific instructions will be included in their non-select letter. The Retirement Date associated with this targeted TERA window will be the mandatory DOS established by the board (1st day of the 7th month following approval of results by USD P&R). Very interesting news. If you don't mind me asking, what is the source? Was this sent out via e-mail?
February 25, 201411 yr Update: that LtCol in my SQ was approved for TERA.. Well, on 17 Jan someone was approved. I know a passed over Nav that was approved, so they are not denying them all. I think they want to see how may they can separate that do not have ADSCs before they approve guys with one.
February 25, 201411 yr Excerpt from new article on af.mil w/SecAF's perspective on force management: "She feels the Air Force’s No. 1 priority, above aircraft, weapons or equipment, is its people. 'Having the right people in the right job at the right time, who are trained and developed should be our number one priority.' The Secretary added that, 'taking care of people means to me recruiting, retaining and reshaping our force, so that we have the right people in the right jobs for the immediate future, as well as thinking ahead to the longer term. We are going to be smaller. We will be going through a force-shaping set of procedures, which will include mostly voluntary measures. We may do some involuntary as well, but this will be a big deal over the next year or two.' " https://www.af.mil/News/ArticleDisplay/tabid/223/Article/473409/secaf-outlines-top-priorities-during-state-of-af-address.aspx Our number 1 priority is people. That's why we're getting rid of 25,000 of them. Anyone else feeling just a tad cynical about the prospects of "applying for TERA" if you are passed over? I mean, it doesn't say "will be automatically approved for TERA".
February 25, 201411 yr Very interesting news. If you don't mind me asking, what is the source? Was this sent out via e-mail? Yes...I saw it today.
February 26, 201411 yr Well, on 17 Jan someone was approved. I know a passed over Nav that was approved, so they are not denying them all. I think they want to see how may they can separate that do not have ADSCs before they approve guys with one. I have heard of a continued Nav or two approved, but haven't heard of any pilots approved for TERA although I'm sure there are a few out there. I know the whole first batch of guys who applied when the window opened were denied because the Retirements office at AFPC didn't even know that Continued types were eligible... geniuses. I know another example of a pilot (not continued) who was just denied TERA with 19+ yrs because he had 1 month left on an ADSC for training. If they won't approve TERA for a pilot with over 19 yrs due to 1 month left on an ADSC I have no idea who they are willing to let go. I guess they don't really save anything by letting someone retire at 19 yrs and 9 months, but that one seems like a no-brainer. Anyone else hear of any weird cases like this one?
February 26, 201411 yr The Nav or two you mention are the first I've heard of actually getting approved. There are lots of us just waiting to hear something. I'm still holding out hope that no news is good news.
February 26, 201411 yr I got that email too from our execs here at Randolph. originated from AFPC....
February 26, 201411 yr I have heard of a continued Nav or two approved, but haven't heard of any pilots approved for TERA although I'm sure there are a few out there. I know the whole first batch of guys who applied when the window opened were denied because the Retirements office at AFPC didn't even know that Continued types were eligible... geniuses. I know another example of a pilot (not continued) who was just denied TERA with 19+ yrs because he had 1 month left on an ADSC for training. If they won't approve TERA for a pilot with over 19 yrs due to 1 month left on an ADSC I have no idea who they are willing to let go. I guess they don't really save anything by letting someone retire at 19 yrs and 9 months, but that one seems like a no-brainer. Anyone else hear of any weird cases like this one? Why would someone apply for reduced retirement with a year to go? What bad deal could possibly come down between now and then?
February 26, 201411 yr Why would someone apply for reduced retirement with a year to go? What bad deal could possibly come down between now and then? Line number, pending PCS, wife has a great job lined up, wife/kids live on the other side of the country, so kids can move before school starts, Chang just moved in next door... lots of valid reasons where the 49.69% retirement vs 50% makes more sense.
February 26, 201411 yr Maybe I'm ignorant, and most would agree -- but why is line number a distractor. This will be my situation -- will have a line number and should pin-on with 1 year to go before 20. Why would I need/want to get out at 19? I'm not familiar with a rank carrying an ADSC - but am familiar with the 3 yr rule to retire in the rank. What am I missing.
February 26, 201411 yr What am I missing.They are talking about your line number at the bankrupt airline that is going to pay you 30 cents on the dollar for the retirement you earned over X number of years. Edited February 26, 201411 yr by Butters
February 26, 201411 yr Why would someone apply for reduced retirement with a year to go? What bad deal could possibly come down between now and then? Stop Loss
February 26, 201411 yr Isn't stop loss only authorized during a contingency? And isn't the war supposed to end this year? As far as potential PCS, can't you just 7 day opt out? Not trying to add fuel to the fire, just curious. I can see the line number argument or unique family situation as being factors. I'm nowhere near retirement and have no dependents, so just trying to get insight into the decision making process
February 26, 201411 yr As far as potential PCS, can't you just 7 day opt out? Not trying to add fuel to the fire, just curious. I can see the line number argument or unique family situation as being factors. I'm nowhere near retirement and have no dependents, so just trying to get insight into the decision making process If you are current and qualified with enough hours to get hired by the bankrupt "Butters Air" and sitting at the 17-18 year point when you are offered an assignment you could either accept the assignment (along with the 2 yr PCS ADSC), 7 day opt and get nothing for your 18 yrs of service if you have no ADSC (you would obviously be insane to do this) or apply for TERA if you were eligible. You'd only get about 45% vs the full 50% for getting to 20 yrs, but would easily make up for that 5% difference with a line number 2 yrs earlier.
February 26, 201411 yr Before you 7-day opt you try to decline the additional adsc (for pcs). If they waive the adsc, then you have to 7-day opt
February 26, 201411 yr anyone else's VSP application say referred to "AFPC Voluntary Separation BPO"? Mine changed a few hours ago.
February 26, 201411 yr Anybody else applying for VSP still at "Referred to Sq CC"? Yep. Coming up on 3 weeks tomorrow. I wonder if he knows it will get denied anyway due to ADSC? Probably still thinks I'm eligible and is holding on to it to until the quota is met.
February 26, 201411 yr Expectation management? "Secretary expects personnel cuts to be less severe than previously estimated" https://mobile.airforcetimes.com/article/20140226/NEWS/302260031
February 27, 201411 yr Expectation management? "Secretary expects personnel cuts to be less severe than previously estimated"https://mobile.airforcetimes.com/article/20140226/NEWS/302260031 We were also told that folks would be let go voluntarily, and that didn't happen. We were told twice passed folks would basically not be denied TERA, and that didn't happen. I'm not holding my breath on this one given the overall dismal outlook for the FY15 proposal and the fact it has little chance of passing congress as is. I'll believe this one when I see it.
February 27, 201411 yr Not even sure I'll believe it then, but hope springs eternal... Edited February 27, 201411 yr by Mountain
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