Fifty-six & Two Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 http://www.stripes.com/news/middle-east/no-injuries-as-c-130-makes-hard-landing-in-afghanistan-1.221629 *sigh* Can't wait to see what caused this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tac airlifter Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 (edited) Maybe hand skills are still required. ETA-- pure speculation in jest & I hope everyone is ok. Edited May 20, 2013 by tac airlifter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFranchise Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Maybe hand skills are still required. ETA-- pure speculation in jest & I hope everyone is ok. But Lt Bosch said you don't need good hand skills anymore. PS they are ok and lucky. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocialD Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 (edited) *sigh* Can't wait to see what caused this. Why wait? I'll put my money on a higher than normal rate of descent upon landing. Boom, safety report done...lets go to the bar. Edit: Even says it in the article, which we know anything put on the Internet has to be true. Edited May 20, 2013 by SocialD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champ Kind Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 There has been at least one per rote since early 2012 (maybe before, but I can't remember a specific instance). In every situation that I know of, it was a shitty approach that the PF tried to salvage and could have been avoided by calling "go around." We are doing it to ourselves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifty-six & Two Posted May 20, 2013 Author Share Posted May 20, 2013 I'll put my money on a higher than normal rate of descent upon landing. Effin' A, Cotton. Effin' A! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeatherManC130 Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 50...40...0 Glad everyone made it out okay, anyone know if the C-17 is still there? WxMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hueypilot Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 C-17 was flown out a while back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 There has been at least one per rote since early 2012 (maybe before, but I can't remember a specific instance). In every situation that I know of, it was a shitty approach that the PF tried to salvage and could have been avoided by calling "go around." We are doing it to ourselves. Wait, I thought we couldn't go around because of the "threat"? You know, the threat from Al-Qaeda. I think in the past 10 years Al-Qaeda in Iraq and Afghanistan has done bout 4 million dollars worth of damage to USAF aircraft, "we" on the other hand have done close to 800 million. Know your threats! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinner Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 And this is why we can't have nice things... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champ Kind Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Wait, I thought we couldn't go around because of the "threat"? You know, the threat from Al-Qaeda. I think in the past 10 years Al-Qaeda in Iraq and Afghanistan has done bout 4 million dollars worth of damage to USAF aircraft, "we" on the other hand have done close to 800 million. Know your threats! Exactly. Some dudes in the MAF are so busy trying to be Tommy Tactical that they wind up doing the enemy's job for them. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerkFE Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Sooooooo, was it a J? (you know where this is going..............) . Glad everyone is okay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerkFE Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Wait, I thought we couldn't go around because of the "threat"? You know, the threat from Al-Qaeda. I think in the past 10 years Al-Qaeda in Iraq and Afghanistan has done bout 4 million dollars worth of damage to USAF aircraft, "we" on the other hand have done close to 800 million. Know your threats! What's that saying, something about "I have met the enemy and he is us" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busdriver Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 "we" on the other hand have done close to 800 million. Know your threats! My first trip to Afghanistan our commander asked us to come up with a list of our risks and prioritize them in order. We ended up with environment as the number one "threat." It was a good exercise in combat ORM. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LockheedFix Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Sooooooo, was it a J? (you know where this is going..............) . Glad everyone is okay Are flight engineers going to flare the aircraft now? I thought their job was to make sure the gear was down and they are at the right runway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Pipes Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Exactly. Some dudes in the MAF are so busy trying to be Tommy Tactical that they wind up doing the enemy's job for them. ^^^ THIS ^^^ Drove/drives me crazy to see guys getting all wrapped up flying some crazy tactical approach... and then Evergreen and a Tanker land right behind them on the ILS... and neither of those 2 were unstable or forgot to put their gear down! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgruntledemployee Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 You can't bitch slap earth and not expect earth to hit back with a swift and furious vengeance! You gotta be nice to earth, kiss her gently. Ask permission, touch her in the right spot with the correct amount of pressure, with the correct configuration, and both you and earth will be very happy. Any trolls out there can start the debate on PME/AAD/Etc. I'm going with the "you need hands in this business" arguement. Oh, and judgement. And maybe an Eng. Out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hueypilot Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 I had an FE tell me once that he could recover the airplane if both pilots were dead/disabled...his solution? Couple the autopilot to the ILS and the airplane will land itself. I called BS and his response was "I know it'll work because I tried it in the sim". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerkFE Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Are flight engineers going to flare the aircraft now? I thought their job was to make sure the gear was down and they are at the right runway. Easy.......just being funny bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hercster Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 You gotta be nice to earth, kiss her gently. Ask permission, touch her in the right spot with the correct amount of pressure, with the correct configuration, and both you and earth will be very happy. STS? No? Nobody? Ok... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco130 Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 772 is J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiefSlapahoe Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 STS? No? Nobody? Ok... It's too easy....*ba-dump bump* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravedigger Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 I had an FE tell me once that he could recover the airplane if both pilots were dead/disabled...his solution? Couple the autopilot to the ILS and the airplane will land itself. I called BS and his response was "I know it'll work because I tried it in the sim". On my instrument checkride, the examiner had me fly the ILS to a 0/0 landing (with foggles) to prove to myself that in an absolute emergency it could be done. Wasn't pretty, but it worked. The dude was crazy; we did a wing-over in a 172 for the unusual attitude. He was also the only remaining DC-3 examiner in the country, and his solution for icing was to fly into a hail storm to knock it off. I don't know anything about the Herk, but I think in most planes (with the right rate of decent), you could couple the AP with the ILS and walk away alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacAirCoug Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 I don't know anything about the Herk, but I think in most planes (with the right rate of decent), you could couple the AP with the ILS and walk away alive. If you couple to the ILS down to the runway in a Herk, you might walk away alive, but the airplane certainly won't. That's IF you get the flight director to couple in the first place. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Hungus Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 On my instrument checkride, the examiner had me fly the ILS to a 0/0 landing (with foggles) to prove to myself that in an absolute emergency it could be done. Wasn't pretty, but it worked. The dude was crazy; we did a wing-over in a 172 for the unusual attitude. He was also the only remaining DC-3 examiner in the country, and his solution for icing was to fly into a hail storm to knock it off. I don't know anything about the Herk, but I think in most planes (with the right rate of decent), you could couple the AP with the ILS and walk away alive. Did you sleep at a Holiday Inn last night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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