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2012 has sucked thus far regarding crashes.

He's good...shittiest flight of my life and hopefully that never changes (knock on wood).

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Article said they were headed to North America? Part of a coronet? Great news the pilot is alright.

Article said they were headed to North America? Part of a coronet? Great news the pilot is alright.

If so it wouldn't be the first time. Happened a few years back, F-16s out of Japan spatial d night tanker coronet silk letdown.

Either you've been there or you will be there some day.

Glad he/she is ok. Hope the boom got the tail number first.

If so it wouldn't be the first time. Happened a few years back, F-16s out of Japan spatial d night tanker coronet silk letdown.

Either you've been there or you will be there some day.

Had that happen to me and it was freakin' scary as shit. However, I wasn't over the ocean and didn't involve a new tie from Martin Baker, thank God.

Glad to hear that he's okay.

If so it wouldn't be the first time. Happened a few years back, F-16s out of Japan spatial d night tanker coronet silk letdown.

Either you've been there or you will be there some day.

Glad he/she is ok. Hope the boom got the tail number first.

I have been a part of VERY few coronets that were planned for night. If there were delays & the chicks would be landing at night I thought it required a waiver from their MAJCOM?

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Landing at night requires a waiver. Flying at night does not.

I have been a part of VERY few coronets that were planned for night. If there were delays & the chicks would be landing at night I thought it required a waiver from their MAJCOM?

Going west to east generally involves night flying to avoid landing at night.

What's the big concern with the night landings? Is it just an exercise thing? Or is this fairly common?

I always wondered how those rescues would go during a Coronet.

Much better than I ever thought one would go...props to the tanker bros, they did a great job. Except you get one hit...asking for our tail numbers :beer:

What's the big concern with the night landings? Is it just an exercise thing? Or is this fairly common?

Very common...they avoid night landings due to fatigue, complacency, etc. after a 6-9 hr "uneventful" flight. It just adds one more element that could potentially cause mishaps. I believe its a MAJCOM/CC waiver required to land at night, but not 100% sure on that.

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Like Buddy Spike said. This is standard going east to avoid the extra risk of landing at a strange field at night after a long sortie.

Makes some sense but it is legacy from the really old days when flying at night was done once a quarter for currency only and...it was considered an EP by most fighter guys.

Glad to hear that the Viper driver is OK and thanks/ありがとうございますto my JSDF colleagues who pitched in for the rescue (I worked with 200+ JSDF troops last year, mostly pilots but some search and rescue squadrons as well).

Much better than I ever thought one would go...props to the tanker bros, they did a great job.

Were they KC-10s or the mini-tanker?

Were they KC-10s or the mini-tanker?

There's a tanker other than the 10?

Glad the pilot's safe; cheers to the crews.

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There's a tanker other than the 10?

Yeah, the one that's RVSM compliant in Europe without a waiver and has glass.

Yeah, the one that's RVSM compliant in Europe without a waiver and has glass.

The -10 is RVSM complaint worldwide.

Much better than I ever thought one would go...props to the tanker bros, they did a great job. Except you get one hit...asking for our tail numbers :beer:

Very common...they avoid night landings due to fatigue, complacency, etc. after a 6-9 hr "uneventful" flight. It just adds one more element that could potentially cause mishaps. I believe its a MAJCOM/CC waiver required to land at night, but not 100% sure on that.

Sounds like you had a part in this. Once the dust settles I hope we get some good feedback on how the SAR went down and what the tanker did right and wrong. I've often thought about this scenario on coronets. Unfortunately, it's not something we spend a lot of time on (if any) during mission planning/briefing in the tanker community. Glad to hear it all worked out ok. :beer:

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