Guest BZ Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Really? What's the matter here man, did one of the female engineers turn you down out on the road once and now you're all bitter? This has to be one of the most unprofessional postings on the forum... do you actually think before you type?? Grow up Engineers F'ing up the reliability rate sure sounds like an excuse to me. Lame one at that. You must hate crew chiefs too... Look dude, I can only guess your a c-130 engineer, I don’t profess to know about 130 reliability rates. I was talking about the C-5 because in that community engineers do "throw out the anchor"(Insert hawaii joke here....) I totally respect the flying crew chiefs in the C-17 community. Most have a great knowledge base to draw from and I can honestly say they have saved my ass a few times. They just don’t need to call checklist for me or hand me told. I can't even remember how many times I have called a checklist item, and the pilot and/or co-pilot rattled off the response, without actually applying the step, at which point I've had to re-call the step. Typical landing setup is usually calling for the flaps, then the gear, then asking for the checklist, and most guys I know (self included) will not even start calling checklist items until we have already visually verified the gear is down. Sure we're all human, and mistakes are always bound to happen, but how is not having an extra pair of eyes really a good thing? Oh tell me how many times you’ve saved the day / corrected that new Lt because he forgot a step.... That’s what checklists are for. If the other pilot does not reply with the correct response or doesn’t acknowledge the checklist challenge, its on the person reading the challenge to say it again. As the pilot not flying we do the same thing. Yah an extra set of eyes in the cockpit is great, but we don't need to make a crew position just to do that. With two seats behind the pilot/copilot there should always be a safety check on final by either a loadmaster or third pilot. I wonder how they fly in the J model without an engineer?? Whatever, just don't come fly with me, you'd probably get upset at all the min ground time and lack of breaking anyway... We agree here, it’s nice not breaking all the time. I can tell my wife I'm on a 7 day trip and expect to get back on time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosuper Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 (edited) This has to be one of the most unprofessional postings on the forum... do you actually think before you type?? Grow up Look dude, I can only guess your a c-130 engineer, I dont profess to know about 130 reliability rates. I was talking about the C-5 because in that community engineers do "throw out the anchor"(Insert hawaii joke here....) I totally respect the flying crew chiefs in the C-17 community. Most have a great knowledge base to draw from and I can honestly say they have saved my ass a few times. They just dont need to call checklist for me or hand me told. Oh tell me how many times youve saved the day / corrected that new Lt because he forgot a step.... Thats what checklists are for. If the other pilot does not reply with the correct response or doesnt acknowledge the checklist challenge, its on the person reading the challenge to say it again. As the pilot not flying we do the same thing. Yah an extra set of eyes in the cockpit is great, but we don't need to make a crew position just to do that. With two seats behind the pilot/copilot there should always be a safety check on final by either a loadmaster or third pilot. I wonder how they fly in the J model without an engineer?? We agree here, its nice not breaking all the time. I can tell my wife I'm on a 7 day trip and expect to get back on time. Being a prior flying Crew Chief on EC/KC-135's, E-3's and VC-137's I prefer flying without FE's. I am not begrudging the FE community but the AF diluted the FE DNA too much. With new FE's being taken out of every AFSC now without a mx background I have gotten into many severe discussions with FE's over what is a write up and what is not. During mx debriefs I could always tell the difference between a fuel panel management and checklist reader specialist and a real FE who knew what they were talking about. Back in the 80's new FE's had to be prior Crew Chiefs, jet mech or hydro troops which those 3 afsc's were almost impossible to Xtrain out of, I know I tried to be a FE 3 x's, needs of the USAF come first. Having a prior cop or services guy now a FE has alot of drawbacks starting out they can't tell the difference between what is good and no good , they just know what their checklist says. I always enjoyed having a non prior mx FE tell me how to do a repair, I always responded with "can I tell you how to fly". Edited January 25, 2010 by Prosuper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
contraildash Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 As for the downrange incident, until you fly a night nvg tactical approach to the box please keep you mouth shut. ...that's what she said... I don't look forward to the day when I have to grow up and start arguing about having more dudes around in the jet. Enjoy your meat-fest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slacker Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 I wonder how they fly in the J model without an engineer?? So far, it has been blind luck. I've heard that they're bringing back engineers for the J model because it could fly __________ mission. [/joke] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arg Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 This is getting good Buurrrp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Hungus Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Just thought I'd post this pic here. Taken last month out here on the left coast... I'm stunned they got six -10s to block out at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosuper Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 I'm stunned they got six -10s to block out at the same time. You should have seen RAF Mildenhall when Operation Eldorado Canyon kicked off along with 20 KC-135A's all taking off heavy with water injection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techsan Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 I'm stunned they got six -10s to block out at the same time. Not only did all -10s block out @ the same time, so did the 2 C-17s and 1 C-5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arg Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 Not only did all -10s block out @ the same time, so did the 2 C-17s and 1 C-5. A C-5??? Someone must have been holding a gun on the engineers. Or they told them they would get five days in Hickalooloo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bergman Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 I'm stunned they got six -10s to block out at the same time. Nah...they just moved the tugs and towbars out of the way before they snapped the pic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JarheadBoom Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 The computer doesn't care if you land gear up, an engineer does. With that logic you shouldn't be able to fly an airplane without an engineer. 1+27 for the FE/no FE battle to begin... not bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arg Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 1+27 for the FE/no FE battle to begin... not bad. Go back a few posts, it was less than an hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Hungus Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 One step closer... ST. LOUIS, June 23, 2010 -- Boeing [NYSE: BA] today announced that it has received a $216 million contract from the U.S. Air Force to upgrade the service's 59-jet KC-10 tanker fleet with a new communication, navigation, surveillance and air traffic management (CNS/ATM) system. The KC-10 upgrade will enable the fleet to comply with the forecasted 2015 CNS/ATM Federal Aviation Administration/International Civil Aviation Organization standards, which allow shared access within both civil and military airspace, enabling tanker refueling operations worldwide. "As air traffic continues to increase, modern CNS/ATM systems become essential for communicating precise flight data and obtaining the most direct routing," said Mike Harris, Boeing vice president of Weapon Systems Modernization. "This upgrade is critical to the Air Force for pilots' safety, mission effectiveness and lower operational costs." The five-year contract draws on design and development work performed by Boeing Defense, Space & Security and Boeing Commercial Airplanes. The contract will be managed at the Boeing Long Beach, Calif., facility. The first airplane will be modified and flight-tested in 2012 at the company's San Antonio facility. Boeing will complete and deliver the final KC-10 modification in 2015. A unit of The Boeing Company, Boeing Defense, Space & Security is one of the world's largest defense, space and security businesses specializing in innovative and capabilities-driven customer solutions, and the world's largest and most versatile manufacturer of military aircraft. Headquartered in St. Louis, Boeing Defense, Space & Security is a $34 billion business with 68,000 employees worldwide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JarheadBoom Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 The first airplane will be modified and flight-tested in 2012 at the company's San Antonio facility. Boeing will complete and deliver the final KC-10 modification in 2015. 3 years to mod 59 airframes? I'll believe it when modded aircraft start regularly showing up on the ramp. I wonder if they're still going with the set-up the RNLAF bought, or if Boeing came up with something else to screw up offer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Crew Report Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 Welcome to -135 avionics we've had for the past 4-5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techsan Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 Just this year we got modded with TCAS...its awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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