WTF? (**NSFW**)

[FLEA]

21 minutes ago, Biff_T said:

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I like how he listed expert marksman on his resume.  They called him Reaper because he shot a target at AF boot camp. Lol.    Dumbass 

 

Oh yeah this dude is a total dumbass. 

[Prozac]

9 hours ago, HeloDude said:

Oh it is 100% media bias.  If you think the media only reports (and to what level) on what the country finds “interesting”, then we’ll just have to disagree.

 

Curious as to what “slant” media outlets may be playing at on this one? Do you see a difference in how liberal vs conservative outlets are handling this story? What about domestic vs international outlets? Why might an editor want to protect the Dalai Lama while calling out the Catholic church’s violations? What would an outlet gain by shuffling Buddhist wrongs to the back pages? Personally, I believe the Dalai Lama’s actions are absolutely as equally disgusting as anyone who has taken advantage of a child. But I’m with others here arguing that this is simply about ratings, not some international extension of American culture wars (Occam’s razor & such). Most Americans probably couldn’t correctly identify which religion the Dalai Lama is the head of, or in which country he resides. On the flip side, there are millions of Catholics here and many, many Americans have been either directly or indirectly affected by the Catholic Church’s indiscretions. Remember, news organizations are primarily in the business of selling advertising, not necessarily providing equal coverage for similar events. 

[HeloDude]

25 minutes ago, Prozac said:

Remember, news organizations are primarily in the business of selling advertising, not necessarily providing equal coverage for similar events. 

By your logic, there is zero media bias as they’re all just selling advertising.  Or…bias means that they only cover what their viewers want to see?

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10 minutes ago, HeloDude said:

By your logic, there is zero media bias as they’re all just selling advertising.  Or…bias means that they only cover what their viewers want to see?

Certainly there is plenty of bias to go around. Just curious as to why you think bias (and/or what flavor or bias) is driving the reporting in this case? 

[HeloDude]

22 minutes ago, Prozac said:

Certainly there is plenty of bias to go around. Just curious as to why you think bias (and/or what flavor or bias) is driving the reporting in this case? 

Wait…so then what is media bias if it’s not reporting what your viewers want to see?

[HeloDude]

But to answer your question, the bias is that it’s more acceptable in the media to be easier on non-Christian religions/leaders when they screw up vs not.  Example—how often is it reported about how Christian denominations are against LGBT-whatever, abortions, gay marriage, etc compared to how often it’s reported how the Muslim faith sees those same issues.

[Prozac]

10 minutes ago, HeloDude said:

But to answer your question, the bias is that it’s more acceptable in the media to be easier on non-Christian religions/leaders when they screw up vs not.  Example—how often is it reported about how Christian denominations are against LGBT-whatever, abortions, gay marriage, etc compared to how often it’s reported how the Muslim faith sees those same issues.

Examples? 

[HeloDude]

3 minutes ago, Prozac said:

Examples? 

Do you want examples because you disagree that this happens?  

[Prozac]

7 minutes ago, HeloDude said:

Do you want examples because you disagree that this happens?  

I don’t believe I’ve ever seen a concrete example of the scenario you’re talking about. Not saying it doesn’t happen…just that I haven’t seen it. But let’s just say it does for the moment. Why do you think that might be? Perhaps it’s because Christian religious groups wield tremendous power in our country and when they make a statement like “God hates gays”, it’s a much bigger deal than when, say Louis Ferrakhan (who has had plenty of negative press if I recall) says similar. 

[HeloDude]

3 minutes ago, Prozac said:

I don’t believe I’ve ever seen a concrete example of the scenario you’re talking about. Not saying it doesn’t happen…just that I haven’t seen it. But let’s just say it does for the moment. Why do you think that might be? Perhaps it’s because Christian religious groups wield tremendous power in our country and when they make a statement like “God hates gays”, it’s a much bigger deal than when, say Louis Ferrakhan (who has had plenty of negative press if I recall) says similar. 

Check this out…

 

[Prozac]

1 minute ago, HeloDude said:

Check this out…

 

Got it. What controversial statements made by other religious groups in our country did the media not cover in the same time period? Assuming there were statements made by Muslims, Buddhists, Pastafarians, or other religious groups, did any of those groups have the political influence of Christian conservatives in the US? If not, guess what? It’s not as consequential a story and will receive less print/airtime. 

[HeloDude]

5 minutes ago, Prozac said:

Got it. What controversial statements made by other religious groups in our country did the media not cover in the same time period? Assuming there were statements made by Muslims, Buddhists, Pastafarians, or other religious groups, did any of those groups have the political influence of Christian conservatives in the US? If not, guess what? It’s not as consequential a story and will receive less print/airtime. 

Are you suggesting that Muslims in Middle East are worse towards LBTQ folks than Christians in the US?

You’re really reaching here, even for you.

[Prozac]

12 minutes ago, HeloDude said:

Are you suggesting that Muslims in Middle East are worse towards LBTQ folks than Christians in the US?

You’re really reaching here, even for you.

Muslims in the Middle East do not have the access to American politicians or influence that Christian groups in the US do. We expect to hear those views come from the taliban. It’s news when influential Americans tout them. 

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33 minutes ago, Prozac said:

…Pastafarians…

We Pastafarians are a peace & piracy loving people who accept all of the FSM’s people. May his noodly appendage touch you all, Ramen. 

Edited April 18, 2023 by nsplayr

[HeloDude]

1 hour ago, Prozac said:

Muslims in the Middle East do not have the access to American politicians or influence that Christian groups in the US do. We expect to hear those views come from the taliban. It’s news when influential Americans tout them. 

Wait…so you’re saying that the media being upset with a religious organization for its values is valid if that religious organization is large and has influence…but if there’s another major (but smaller) religious organization doing similar (or worse) things, that it’s ok for that same media to not call them out because they have less influence?
 

Dude, I know you’re a progressive and you’re not very pro-religion, but you’re either intentionally being obtuse about this, or we’ll just never see eye on it because our values and opinions are quite different.  Either way, it is what it is.

[Prozac]

9 minutes ago, HeloDude said:

Wait…so you’re saying that the media being upset with a religious organization for its values is valid if that religious organization is large and has influence…but if there’s another major (but smaller) religious organization doing similar (or worse) things, that it’s ok for that same media to not call them out because they have less influence?
 

Dude, I know you’re a progressive and you’re not very pro-religion, but you’re either intentionally being obtuse about this, or we’ll just never see eye on it because our values and opinions are quite different.  Either way, it is what it is.

Let me put it this way: If Liberty University comes out and says gay marriage is a sin, that has the potential to affect millions of Americans since that institution has the ear of most conservative politicians. People rightly want to know that institution’s positions because it will influence legislation that will affect their lives. Now, you say that Muslim extremists don’t receive the same negative press. Jury’s still out on that one for me but a not insignificant number of them have certainly received something much more violent than bad press over the last few decades. I don’t recall too many Americans or news outlets, liberal or conservative, crying over their loss. I would argue most Americans implicitly agree that Muslim extremists are bad since we’ve seemed to be ok with a large part of our budget being expended to vaporize them. 

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Prozac, Every Christian in the world believes your example. That belief and statement is not controversial at all except by the alphabets and their cheer squad.

[HeloDude]

1 hour ago, Prozac said:

Let me put it this way: If Liberty University comes out and says gay marriage is a sin, that has the potential to affect millions of Americans since that institution has the ear of most conservative politicians. People rightly want to know that institution’s positions because it will influence legislation that will affect their lives. Now, you say that Muslim extremists don’t receive the same negative press. Jury’s still out on that one for me but a not insignificant number of them have certainly received something much more violent than bad press over the last few decades. I don’t recall too many Americans or news outlets, liberal or conservative, crying over their loss. I would argue most Americans implicitly agree that Muslim extremists are bad since we’ve seemed to be ok with a large part of our budget being expended to vaporize them. 

Funny how you mention Liberty University wrt saying gay marriage is a sin…and then using a comparison have to say Muslim “extremists”…not once, but twice.  Why couldn’t you have just said Muslims?  Or is Liberty University the same as Muslim “extremists” in your mind?  

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43 minutes ago, bfargin said:

Prozac, Every Christian in the world believes your example. That belief and statement is not controversial at all except by the alphabets and their cheer squad.

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/views-about-same-sex-marriage#views-about-same-sex-marriage
 

57% of Catholics, 57% of mainline Protestants, and 54% of orthodox Christians in the US say when asked that they support same sex marriage so…do with that what you will! I don’t think your assertion is true.

I will counter by claiming that 99.9% of Pastafarians are pro same sex marriage, and this cannot be so easily disproven. 0.1% allowances because every group has that one asshole. 🤷‍♂️

Ye do what ye wish with yer sexy parts mateys!

Edited April 18, 2023 by nsplayr

[bfargin]

The Bible, from Genesis to Revelation lays out the order in this world and in God’s design (even the relationship between Christ and the Church is illustrated by the bridegroom and the bride). The whole Bible unapologetically claims the only sexual relationship that is within Gods will/plan is between a husband and wife. Anything sexual outside of that is sin. You’d have to ignore the whole Canon of scripture to believe that homosexual activity is not sinful.

As far as that research, pew research also showed that more than 50% of claimed Christians in America also claim to believe that casual sex is not sinful. Almost 25% also claimed that Christ’s death and resurrection are not necessary for reconciliation with God the Father (salvation). There’s a ton of secular Protestants and Catholics who claim the label of Christian but don’t actually believe in Biblical Christianity. Only God knows their heart, but denying necessary Christian beliefs and claiming Christianity seems suspect. I acknowledge we’re all hypocrites too often, but disbelief in essential doctrine is more than hypocrisy.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/08/31/half-of-u-s-christians-say-casual-sex-between-consenting-adults-is-sometimes-or-always-acceptable/

[Prozac]

14 hours ago, HeloDude said:

Funny how you mention Liberty University wrt saying gay marriage is a sin…and then using a comparison have to say Muslim “extremists”…not once, but twice.  Why couldn’t you have just said Muslims?  Or is Liberty University the same as Muslim “extremists” in your mind?  

Oh boy. I thought we were having a conversation about whether Christians were mistreated by the media. I’ll remind you of your own argument:

18 hours ago, HeloDude said:

Example—how often is it reported about how Christian denominations are against LGBT-whatever, abortions, gay marriage, etc compared to how often it’s reported how the Muslim faith sees those same issues.

Since Liberty is rather notorious for making such statements, I chose them as an example. Mind you, I’m not judging their or your beliefs here, just making note of the example that you yourself presented. And no, it’s not just Muslim extremists. The Saudi government was very much in the news in a decidedly negative light when it hosted the World Cup despite its despicable human rights record. 
 

So, getting back to the original conversation, can you provide concrete examples of “the media” slamming Christians while letting others slide or are you just joining the current trend of wanting to play victim? 

[Biff_T]

WTF is going on in the WTF thread?

I dont come here to debate religion.

This thread needs some Satan.

 

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[HeloDude]

6 hours ago, Prozac said:

Oh boy. I thought we were having a conversation about whether Christians were mistreated by the media. I’ll remind you of your own argument:

Since Liberty is rather notorious for making such statements, I chose them as an example. Mind you, I’m not judging their or your beliefs here, just making note of the example that you yourself presented. And no, it’s not just Muslim extremists. The Saudi government was very much in the news in a decidedly negative light when it hosted the World Cup despite its despicable human rights record. 
 

So, getting back to the original conversation, can you provide concrete examples of “the media” slamming Christians while letting others slide or are you just joining the current trend of wanting to play victim? 

Swing and a miss pal.  You intentionally brought up Liberty University and then used Muslim “extremists” as a comparison.

[Prozac]

8 minutes ago, HeloDude said:

Swing and a miss pal.  You intentionally brought up Liberty University and then used Muslim “extremists” as a comparison.

So, no concrete examples then. Got it.