Toro Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 Anybody else have their Services Squadron merging with the Mission Support Squadron into "Force Support Squadron" "The new squadron will have five flights: Force Development, Manpower and Personnel, Airmen and Family Services, Sustainment Services and Community Services." Great, so now we can have the limited hours of the MSS combined with the daily e-mail spam of the Services squadron. It's the best of both worlds! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finance_Guy Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 It's going to happen everywhere. Check out the link to an AF News Story. http://www.eielson.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123081112 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mambo Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 Change for the sake of change. I guess that will get rid of 4 squadron CC's and associated people, save a few bucks. Interesting concept I suppose. Be a nice bullet on someone's OPR/EPR. I think they should Consolidate all the Base Personnel Offices...call it CBPO. Maybe I'll AFSO21 that idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amcflyboy Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 Right now they're also combining Aerial Port Sq's with Logistics and Supply, to combine it with Logistics Readiness Squadron which I know a lot of you already know about. Just thought I'd throw that out seeing as how we're talking about consolidation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JVBFLY Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 Right now they're also combining Aerial Port Sq's with Logistics and Supply, to combine it with Logistics Readiness Squadron which I know a lot of you already know about. Just thought I'd throw that out seeing as how we're talking about consolidation! Is there any new talk about putting maintenance into the operations group? That wheel has to be turning back that way as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SATCOM Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 A SSgt came in my office last week and told me this story: He goes to MPF to update something in DEERS. They tell him that he has to do it on VMPF. He tells them that his CAC does not work, and that can they do it. They say NO, you have to do it. He says, please issue me a new CAC so that I can do YOUR job. They say, the CAC machine is down, and the parts on order....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brabus Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 What exactly does MPF do now? A couple time I had to go over there and same with some friends, every answer is "You have to go onto vMPF and do it." The AF could save a lot of money by force shaping all those worthless people out of there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toro Posted January 27, 2008 Author Share Posted January 27, 2008 Is there any new talk about putting maintenance into the operations group? That wheel has to be turning back that way as well. Apparently you slept through the last couple months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gtyj98 Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 A SSgt came in my office last week and told me this story: He goes to MPF to update something in DEERS. They tell him that he has to do it on VMPF. He tells them that his CAC does not work, and that can they do it. They say NO, you have to do it. He says, please issue me a new CAC so that I can do YOUR job. They say, the CAC machine is down, and the parts on order....... That is classic. I just forwarded this to a bunch of my buddies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osulax05 Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 I'm glad that we can do what we need to do in VMPF... less irritation and time spent dealing with shoeclerks. That is until VMPF crashes or you come back from a TDY to find your account disabled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooter Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 How about we retrain them all into finance to help us figure out the horror that is DTS... Or maybe I'm the only one who can't make it work right. --Spartan Touche (sorry no gay french accent thing on the end) I was in Japan for over a month, got orders to go to Guam, then was told to go back to Japan. So all said and done go home to lovely NE. Go to fill out my DTS, after trying to figure out how to ammend my trip for over an hour, get it all done for processing. OOPS, there's errors on your request. Like: "You weren't authorized to leave Japan"-hmmm well last ime I checked i don't get to choose where i go all the time, "You weren't authorized billeting at this location"-so am I supposed to sleep in the F@#$ing street? There were 8 of these beyond retarde questions so in true crew dog fashion I answerd them in the most asshole way I could and no return fire was recieved and it was processed. DTS sucks my balls but at least nobody is monitoring what's being sent in! Cooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tac airlifter Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 DTS is a mess. Has anyone ever had any training on it at your squadron or do you all just figure it out along the way like I do? Right now I am sitting on a 2 month overdue bill for my GTC because the DTS guys won't pay me for a TDY. We spent 24 hours in a hotel in Reno, and they should have charged us for 2 nights. But. being the friendly folk they were at the El Dorado, they decided to only charge us for one night. Now the airmen who approves my DTS TDY won't pay me; why you ask? Well, I only have a reciept for one night in Reno, but my voucher indicates I spent 2 nights there. I tell the guy we were only charged for one night, thus I only have one reciept (although reciept does show i stayed 2 nights). The airmen tells me he cannot process any of my voucher unless I am charged for that night and have a reciept. So now we're in a stalemate, I can't get a reciept for something I wasn't charged for and he can't process my voucher unless I paid for something I didnt pay for. To top it off, he only works 2 hours twice a week for my squadron, so I have to be available in that tiny window of time; which is incidentally when all the staff meetings are scheduled for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herk Driver Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 DTS is a mess. Has anyone ever had any training on it at your squadron or do you all just figure it out along the way like I do? Right now I am sitting on a 2 month overdue bill for my GTC because the DTS guys won't pay me for a TDY. We spent 24 hours in a hotel in Reno, and they should have charged us for 2 nights. But. being the friendly folk they were at the El Dorado, they decided to only charge us for one night. Now the airmen who approves my DTS TDY won't pay me; why you ask? Well, I only have a reciept for one night in Reno, but my voucher indicates I spent 2 nights there. I tell the guy we were only charged for one night, thus I only have one reciept (although reciept does show i stayed 2 nights). The airmen tells me he cannot process any of my voucher unless I am charged for that night and have a reciept. So now we're in a stalemate, I can't get a reciept for something I wasn't charged for and he can't process my voucher unless I paid for something I didnt pay for. To top it off, he only works 2 hours twice a week for my squadron, so I have to be available in that tiny window of time; which is incidentally when all the staff meetings are scheduled for. Raise the BS flag. Take it to your supervisor and get some help. If that doesn't work take it to your CC and get some help. DTS isn't really that difficult. There is no requirement to have a receipt for a hotel. If you had spent the night at a friends house you wouldn't have an expense, you wouldn't have a receipt and the gov't wouldn't reimburse you. Tell the guy to pull his head out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finance_Guy Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 (edited) Well, I only have a reciept for one night in Reno, but my voucher indicates I spent 2 nights there. I tell the guy we were only charged for one night, thus I only have one reciept (although reciept does show i stayed 2 nights). The airmen tells me he cannot process any of my voucher unless I am charged for that night and have a reciept. So now we're in a stalemate, I can't get a reciept for something I wasn't charged for and he can't process my voucher unless I paid for something I didnt pay for. To top it off, he only works 2 hours twice a week for my squadron, so I have to be available in that tiny window of time; which is incidentally when all the staff meetings are scheduled for. You have an AIRMAN as your DTS approver...first problem. Airman do not fit the criteria since they are not in charge of the mission or funds. This isn't a DTS problem, this is an Airman problem, one in your own SQ. UNLESS, you have a Comptroller who inserts an approving step in your document routing flows. This is not the DTS design. All reviewing and approving should come from responsible individuals in your own SQ. Bottom line, if you are not claiming lodging for that second night, you do not need a receipt. Only need receipts for those things you want to get paid for. There is plenty of online training on the DTS website. It's really not that hard. Edited January 29, 2008 by Finance_Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brabus Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 Sort of a thread hijack...you don't need to produce receipts for expenses under $75, right? Situation...for some reason finance (or whoever) wants me and another guy to take a shuttle to Holloman and then back. Round trip cost is $75. Or we could rent a car which would total to $57 for the two days. So not only do we have our own transportation (i.e. casino up the road), but we're also saving the AF money. However, I'm sure Amn Retard at finance won't understand it no matter how much I explain it, so my plan is to just claim $57 in "transportation fees" (same as if we'd just taken cabs around Alamogordo). So, will this work? Sorry for the hijack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest xtndr50boom Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 There is plenty of online training on the DTS website. It's really not that hard. F--kin' A! Complaining about DTS is SOOO 2005. Would any of you want to go back to the old days of lost travel vouchers and waiting in line for a half hour just so amn snuffy can say he needs 2 more copies of your voucher before he can process it? DTS: Learn it..... Live it..... Love it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Boom Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 DTS is a mess. Has anyone ever had any training on it at your squadron or do you all just figure it out along the way like I do? Right now I am sitting on a 2 month overdue bill for my GTC because the DTS guys won't pay me for a TDY. We spent 24 hours in a hotel in Reno, and they should have charged us for 2 nights. But. being the friendly folk they were at the El Dorado, they decided to only charge us for one night. Now the airmen who approves my DTS TDY won't pay me; why you ask? Well, I only have a reciept for one night in Reno, but my voucher indicates I spent 2 nights there. I tell the guy we were only charged for one night, thus I only have one reciept (although reciept does show i stayed 2 nights). The airmen tells me he cannot process any of my voucher unless I am charged for that night and have a reciept. So now we're in a stalemate, I can't get a reciept for something I wasn't charged for and he can't process my voucher unless I paid for something I didnt pay for. To top it off, he only works 2 hours twice a week for my squadron, so I have to be available in that tiny window of time; which is incidentally when all the staff meetings are scheduled for. DTS is easy. People are either too ing stupid or lazy (or both) to learn how to use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herk Driver Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 Sort of a thread hijack...you don't need to produce receipts for expenses under $75, right? Situation...for some reason finance (or whoever) wants me and another guy to take a shuttle to Holloman and then back. Round trip cost is $75. Or we could rent a car which would total to $57 for the two days. So not only do we have our own transportation (i.e. casino up the road), but we're also saving the AF money. However, I'm sure Amn Retard at finance won't understand it no matter how much I explain it, so my plan is to just claim $57 in "transportation fees" (same as if we'd just taken cabs around Alamogordo). So, will this work? Sorry for the hijack. No receipts for under $75 for incidentals. You still have to produce receipts for rental cars and lodging regardless of the costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techsan Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 Sort of a thread hijack...you don't need to produce receipts for expenses under $75, right? Situation...for some reason finance (or whoever) wants me and another guy to take a shuttle to Holloman and then back. Round trip cost is $75. Or we could rent a car which would total to $57 for the two days. So not only do we have our own transportation (i.e. casino up the road), but we're also saving the AF money. However, I'm sure Amn Retard at finance won't understand it no matter how much I explain it, so my plan is to just claim $57 in "transportation fees" (same as if we'd just taken cabs around Alamogordo). So, will this work? Sorry for the hijack. I've done that before, but not sure exactly how legit it is. My argument, like yours, is that I'm saving uncle sam the cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tac airlifter Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 I guess I'm to ######ing lazy and stupid then, since about 25% of my travel vouchers on DTS are screwed up for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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