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Boom! This would be a Willy Wonka Ticket during this situation, especially if all were kept on board with benefits and it truly would be cheaper in the short term 6-9, 12 months (whatever the gonculator says) especially with interest free loan injections vs cutting and then retraining. I am unaware of the furlough criteria protections at specific airlines, but others on their APC forums have mentioned they have a lot of monetary penalties associated with this. My company not so much, it’s flying rubber dog crap out of Hong Kong. Limited dog crap, limited pilots, but thankfully there is a plethora of dog crap for the foreseeable future. I hope everyone is senior enough to attain what they want/need (positive plug).

Expanding upon nunya’s point. “Voluntary unpaid leave“ will not be enticing for the majority either, regardless of the airline. Unless your very wealthy, part of the youth group or new hire that has buku $$$ saved or an alternate income source, etc. and wouldn’t mind a break = “Survey says” - you won’t budge unless forced out for the time being. Granted, it would be an exceptional time to land an AGR position within the ANG or Reserve equivalent. While your seniority may slow for a bit due to the lack of hiring under you, the retirements above you will keep you moving. The increase of pay per year (if under 12 or 15 maxed depending on carrier) will be nice to come back to of course and maybe even an upgrade. Also, this may be the opportunity to go beyond the 5 yr USERRA limit and snag a retirement (I would get that authorization in writing by your company) or at least gain a substantial amount of points/$ for your eventual retirement. Understandably, the Senior airline folks especially those close to retirement would be silly not to max it out to the end = further pad your 401K, grab any matching, continue direct contribution, get yourself closer to max Social Security benefits (67), etc and unfortunately I must say - recover your losses these past several weeks via the stock market. Delta has indicated the most drastic measures thus far. The others will probably follow suit. Airlines will execute major moves to save their themselves for the most part, lending themselves more in tune for loans or bailout assistance perhaps. It’s obvious (just my thoughts) they are running down their checklist of cuts (not in order): Fleet size reduction, Route reduction, voluntary unpaid leave, reduced pay rates, retirement of older aircraft earlier than planned, stop share buybacks, freeze hiring, cut outside contractor help, deferring aircraft orders, etc. All of this leads to the proverbial “we did everything we could before even considering Furloughs.“ Pray this hysteria is short lived and the initial cutbacks work accordingly. If not, you park too many planes you park pilots. Even the Air Force (AF) had their “banked pilots” in the early 90’s, but those folks just did another paying AF job while they awaited their turn to fly aircraft after pilot training...

Congrats, well done! Stay focused, do well and never quit which you have figured out in spades! Great to hear/read! Awesome and great to be hired regardless of the Crazy 😜 CV19 going on. Civilian sector not so much, but that is cyclic as always.

Mississippi 69 Offenders: Aside from the age difference and kinship they shared this was impressive. “According to the police, tests showed that Gibbons consumed close to 27.5 times the legal limit for alcohol.” Pretty good tolerance level to get as far as he did. Ha! I would have been truly useless, that’s not saying much though.

The VP position is what concerns me. Let’s say either Bernie or Joe does pull it off in Nov and they have their puppet masters pulling their strings like so many others (either party) who have held the position in years past, OR it’s not too far fetched a VP would eventually move up in seniority as needed/required.

Because we have “The Donald!” I definitely would have leaned towards her from the other side of the fence, but this next debate will be about one pushing entitlements with no real cost numbers declared and the other will likely fold into a push-up challenge. It’s about time we witness the cognitive abilities one on one with no distractor conditions looming about. Popcorns ready! Just more material for Mr. T and he will not pity the fool! I will send in my AR-14 if/when I could ever find it. Let Beto know he doesn’t need to waste his time nor mine.

Epstein, hahaha, that’s good stuff right there. I myself just had the flu. Came back from a trip. Saw the Doc, one word about international travel and bam, into quarantine glass cube for 90 min while they did their tests. Diagnosed as Flu type B, and then they kicked me back to the house and recovered in a week.

https://media.swalife.com/docs/news/public/media/video/swatv/2020/200309GaryCoronaCaptioned.mp4 Brace for impact. While the airline industry will reset itself accordingly and continue to thrive in the near future hopefully, it just goes to show you that this “FLU like syndrome“ should be given the respect it deserves, but not panic driven like it has been. Perception is reality for the public. Drive on America, Thrive on. Good lesson on not to live in fear, but be prepared as possible in the event of such unknowns. Everything is not always cherry or will stay at the top of its game endlessly. Don’t cast away your Reserve component opportunities at a moments notice. (proved highly valuable after 9/11). Build yourself that seniority cushion first. Although grass is not always greener, this is just a cyclic event as history has proven. There is light at the end of this tunnel and as I mentioned before, I hope it gets brighter sooner than later.

Keep at it Sir Duck, it’s well worth a little or even quite a bit of pain. Immediate $ and benefits works wonders on any outside pressure cooker worries. Economy, virus, terrorizers(Bush), etc. Morale will improve and the beatings will discontinue.

Ahhhhh, that’s correct. I recall that measure and written policy now. Your fellow fast burners & bean counters wrote into fine print something to the effect: Title 32 until performing the real-world event which requires Title 10 auto-convert as it becomes a Federal mission and falls under Title 10 Federal Authority in order to execute. Yup, that’s a screw job... Just goes to show you, when the Government offers you a “deal”, it’s most likely NOT in your favor. *Advised a friend (Major who worked for me) of mine out of signing for $30K immediately and accepting the 40% vs 50% retirement pay at 20 yrs. (He was at 15 yrs AD service) He argued he could do better with $30k at 7% return in the stock market. I let him know it would be $22K after taxes, may do 7% - may not. And, he would only need to be retired as a Major for not even 5 years to break even and it’s pure gravy 10% win after that. If he knew he had a terminal disease shorter than that, just enjoy the cash which is understandable. Funny thing: He made O-6 last year, just think about that 10% now. Bravo for one of our own. Nothing more dangerous than a man with options!

Those (USERRA Exempt Orders) were cut 15 May 2015 almost 5 years ago, unless they were reinstated? Airlines got quite a bit smarter. Very Rare! Good for you, job/end game done extremely well.

Totally getting screwed without ANY doubt!!! Did something change or did your Commander(s) make a “deal” they shouldn’t have. I retired from the 601 AOC Homeland Defense / home of the ONE mission which scrambles ya’ll(assets). Gas Tanks were covered and so were the pointy folks - where is the disconnect? SAF/MR exempted Air Reserve Component (ARC) members who volunteered for active duty under section 12301(d) of Title 10, Unites States Code, in direct or indirect support of Operation NOBLE EAGLE.... And several others such as OEF, OIF, etc. were/are covered as well. *Back in May 2015 - SAF/MR recut all Statutory Tours (Staff) orders, taking away the “exempted” portion. We lost a lot of airline folks (they were 5 years maxed out) who didn’t have previous ETP’s in place to keep them on station and not have Delta or any others come a knock’n. (That was ignited by an Airline push(meetings) in 2013-15.) ETP - Exception To Policy

Aside from the CBT’s and deployments, it was a minimum attempt at being in the Old ANG. Homestar nailed it, airline is pure fly-only. All they do is try ensure you are ready to fly, and validate your company credit card of course.

Townhall meeting with the Trumpster went well to say the least. Didn’t expect anything less. It’s not that it was Fox News, it was nice to hear coherent thought verbally executed concisely and with confidence whether right or wrong according to your view. On the other side: It’s NOT going to go well if you can’t remember who your wife is, or have your wife say “Your OK Joe!” when your stage gets jumped by a Dairy Heckler, declare $150 million people are killed by guns every year in the U.S., can’t remember the Declaration of Independence end statement but replaces it with ‘You know, the thing’ OR even know what state your campaigning in. The list goes on and on. Personally I’m just trying to ignore declaring Beto as your gun clean up guy; although, the “Beto” clearance sales at the gun shows have been awesome. My wife mentioned: “Parents wouldn’t trust him to be a crossing guard guiding/protecting their children everyday and this supposedly has the potential to be The President of these United States.” If/when these two end up in the debates, it’s going to be a slaughter. Probably won’t be perceived as it went bad as much as it was just sad. I believe the opposition is hoping for a Mike Tyson vs Buster Douglas upset/outcome that happened inTokyo back in 1990. Granted, it did take 10 rounds and there won’t be but 3 Presidential Debates. *The Impeachment attempt has always made sense for the other side and has become even more apparent everyday.

“You're going to have to do something more to entice me to come back out of retirement... again.” - HuggyU2 Now that was funny, good stuff right there. AND Gen Ronald Fogleman was the Best. We roof stomped him late at night (best we could at his VOQ) at Maxwell during “The Gathering of Eagles.” We let him know we were upset he retired, but he kept his word so there’s that. He had a shot of Jeremiah Weed with each and every one of us in his boxers and handed us his business card. Told us he was in a shit business. Porta Potty rental business in Durango, CO. Don’t make them like him anymore. Tex Hill and other warriors there put us under the table, they were unstoppable. Good Times!

Well said Jeremiahweed on the ups and downs of this industry Cargo or Pax. I see now Hackers info on Purple ramps is correct. Especially after watching the discussions on the APC FedEx Forum “Blessing in disguise”. (The 2020 2% growth projections were pre-Corona of course as stated) In the “Blessing in disguise” topic on APC. FDX folks indicating some are burning sick leave and vaca to zero trying to mitigate exposure. Pay protection to avoid hot zone discussions, possible risks involved, re-entry into your country of residence, potential for quarantine into Chinese hospitals, movement of cargo, all great concerns and realities - especially those residing/based in that area. Sounds like some are whoring it up flying/$$$ wise while others are avoiding the “plague” as best they can. All about tolerance levels/pay protections is what the back and forth seems to be about and what exactly do HKG based folks have going for them, or not. Some very interesting points. *They mentioned on the FDX hiring side as a crew room rumor - 8 in Mar, 8 in Apr for a total of 16 supposedly headed for HKG basing. That says a lot if true. Any sick or vaca available as a new hire?

Just a bunch of analysts indicating a change for the better (some growth) forecast for 2020. Modest 2% volume increase (initially 2.7%); however, revenue gains may be slightly less than forecasted back in June 2019 dependent upon pricing, tariffs, fuel, and everything else well beyond my scope. Mid 2020 will be a good indicator perhaps. Staying in the Black will be good. Cargo backs up due to many ripples in the flow. Like you, seen plenty awaiting delivery at various stations. I don’t hang out at pure sort facilities so you have that picture. If Purple was really under any pressure they would resume additional contracts like they do every year during peak. UPS does the same. They’re doing fine, unless you have have seen any outsourcing. Just a question.

Landed there in the past couple of months. Will be interesting when reverse flow happens.

Cargo side declared minimal growth if any since 1 Jan/1st Qtr start even before things went viral. (more realistic meaning now)

Rambling perhaps or rather Rumbling, at least you were paying attention Waingro which I appreciate. What a deep state of affairs we are in.

4 more years, seems probable. Spitballing - Dare I say the word “Reset.” Never has a President experienced an onslaught of detractors/distractions whatever you want to call it. Whether you agree upon any of the declared accomplishments of The Donald, he has executed more decisions and been far more effective regarding his pre-elected declarations/promises of what he will get done than any other President of recent memory (Definitely during the past 8 elections in which I could vote). All with cannons to the left and right of him. So many Conspiracy Theories using: Russian Collusion, Seth Rich, James Comey, Brett Kavanaugh, sex scandals/allegations, Envelopes at the Bush Funeral, Jeffrey Epstein, Anthony Weiner, Julian Assange, Roger Stone, Pelosi, Schumer, Schiff & friends, Ukraine issues involving both Don & Joe, growing list of judges, Russian involvement coming out of remission now and the list goes on and on. True or not, what if it all of it were to be determined/proven as an unfair suppression or attempted political execution of a sitting President. Maybe the meme showing Trump in office indefinitely (years scrolling up and up) wasn’t just a jab. Is Ivanka being groomed, etc. New Rumor: Reset and delay Presidential elections until 2022?, 24? Maybe not a new rumor, but it was an interesting topic/submission if the stars were aligned for them. *Its just intriguing/mind numbing to see an entire list of accusations being used to drive the other kid out of their playpen/sandbox.

Concur which means nothing regarding me, so I will keep my 2 cents. Well supported Torqued, good info. Better in hand than on paper. 401K, IRA, Matching, %, Cash on hand, Savings, tangible assets (land, manageable RV, Cognac, pre1965 silver, bullets, etc.), wouldn’t count on social security being around. Diversification means so much more. Somehow hedge your bets. Interesting times.

Regional is one thing, try to hold out for the Big3 or 5, then go on the hunt as the normal transition for final career thoughts if you dare. They have made leaps and bounds tracking Mil Leave individuals and holding them to the 5 year line. AGRs are way more plentiful as the hiring continues and it’s always good to have a part-time mil gig while at the lower percentage of the pilot group, or just to have something to run back too and break up the monotony if you have a cookie cutter multiple leg carrier gig. Good for mil leave and quality of life but beware employers may have a matrix to monitor trends if you will. Delta will find you (friends have been called), Frontier not so much, (a friend got the “we’ll see you when we see you!) I would record that call for sure...

Seems like an extended period, but then again besides the test period, validation period, etc, it’s the sheer number to produce and distribute on a world wide scope that may be in play. Granted, it’s normally months to several years for vaccines to be fully vetted as they continuously mature into various stages of potency/ effect. Vaccines cost hundreds of millions of dollars to develop and hopefully this iteration of the Corona Virus (#5 of the previous 4) won’t take that long with a baseline of 4 current Types of the Corona on file that have supposedly been dealt with.

CDC and DOH finally getting in with boots on the ground. Good takeaway regarding regimes and how they conduct business. Keeping everyone out, controlling information, lockdowns in effect in various ways good and bad. Either way this virus will run its course and burn out eventually, or a vaccine will be effective and implemented or we just add another annual flu type vaccine to the list of options to mitigate the effects. IF food driven, governments should provide some assistance in “wet market” cleanliness. It’s not the first time, definitely not the last. This is a positive note to keep me in a good mindset versus the underlying theme of history. Mother nature is a serial killer...