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Disagree. Had the time of my life talking about my favorite subject all day to super motivated students, flying 3-5 times a week, going all over the United States. I'm disappointed I left earlier then planned. As said above, to each their own.

Oh yeahhhh 36-2501: 3.10. Effects of Nonselection for Promotion. Generally, officers not selected for promotion to captain through lieutenant colonel for the second time are separated in accordance with AFI 36- 3207, Separating Commissioned Officers, unless they: 3.10.1. Are retirement eligible or within 2 years of qualifying for retirement (i.e., in the sanctuary) as of the mandatory date of separation (DOS) established for officers twice nonselected for promotion by that board. 3.10.2. Are selected for continuation. 3.10.3. Have an earlier established DOS. 36-3207 3.4. Officers Who Aren't Selected for Promotion. The DOS for officers not selected for promotion for the sec-ond time to the grade of captain, major, or lieutenant colonel normally falls no later than the last day of the 6th calendar month after the month in which the report of the board that considered them is approved. NOTE: This applies to officers twice not selected for promotion and selected for, but who decline, continuation on active duty. 3.4.1. The officers may request an earlier DOS once they know they weren't selected. 3.4.2. The MPF discharges regular officers and releases reserve officers from active duty.

Question: As a 1x passed over Captain, if they offer me Continuation, and I turn it down, IVSP is not paid out. If they don't offer me Continuation, IVSP is paid out. If they don't offer me Continuation, and I request an earlier DOS then the notification + 6 Months, is IVSP still paid out? There's a quip in the continuation reg that talks about it, but it would not apply to me because I never accepted Continuation right? 36-3207: 3.4. Officers Who Aren't Selected for Promotion. The DOS for officers not selected for promotion for the sec-ond time to the grade of captain, major, or lieutenant colonel normally falls no later than the last day of the 6th calendar month after the month in which the report of the board that considered them is approved. NOTE: This applies to officers twice not selected for promotion and selected for, but who decline, continuation on active duty. 3.4.1. The officers may request an earlier DOS once they know they weren't selected. Says below for already continued officers: 7.17. Terms For Involuntary Separation of Selectively Continued Officers. Consider officers for further continuation when continuation ends before an officer enters the retirement sanctuary or becomes eligible to retire. If an officer is not selected for further continuation, they will have at least 6 months notice before involuntary separation or discharge. Involuntarily separate officers who decline further continuation on the expiration of their current contract. If the officers request an earlier date of separation and receive approval under AFI 36-3207, Administrative Separation of Commissioned Officers, then the separation is voluntary and the officer does not receive separation pay. Officers identified for, or serving in a continued status, are subject to separation under other applicable laws and policies. Gracias!

That would be admitting that the ABU pattern was a mistake and like canceling ASBC and making SOS 8 weeks only to go back down to 5, it has to be done methodically to make sure everyone saves face. Edit for clarity: ASBC was a joke and never should have happened, the way it was eliminated allowed everyone to save face

I firmly believe leadership doesn't believe the ops tempo, 365s, additional duties or anything else is a problem, we just need more people. If we had enough people to do <1 deployment a year, maybe one additional duty and not everyone got 179/365s regularly, there would be no problem. That being said, trying to lower the barriers for entrance in the civilian world so you stop bleeding people... what a backwards way of thinking.

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FWIW, I bought a house from 2013 to 2015 with NBOKC and they serviced the loan the whole time. Paid online, no complaints.

It does. DOPMA takes priority over ADSCs.

To follow up, if the board offers the Officer continuation and the Officer turns it down, he is not given invol separation pay. Same with writing a DNP me letter, no invol sep pay given. AFI 36-2501 2.10.3. Title 10, U.S.C., Section 617, Reports of Selection Boards requires that the board shall include in its report the name of any officer the board did not recommend for promotion who requested not to be promoted or otherwise caused nonselection through written communication to the board. 2.10.3.2. An officer who causes his/her non-selection through communication to a selection board is not entitled to involuntary separation pay. Re: writing letters and still getting promoted - I see Learjetter's side of the story, and while I don't agree with the direction, it's understandable. Realize board members aren't the ones to get upset at, blame SECAF, HAF/A1, and AFPC guidance.

DOPMA - Defense Officer Personnel Management Act is a law that manages Officer promotions. It mandates that joint experience be given promotion preference, the up or out system, career milestones, and several other areas that affect our day to day life. The cynic in me knows that all the talk about pilot shortage, dual tracks, less staff positions, etc etc will not change until Congress modifies/repeals/adjusts DOPMA. Sec Gates through Sec Carter have tried making adjustments, but get constant kick back from the Pentagon. Personal opinion, it is one of the few ways to "fire" officers and is the system that promoted the General Officers we have today. DOPMA does mandate that if continuation is declined, an officer will be separated NLT 6 months from notice of non selection. Our AFIs match this and say a DOS can be moved up earlier as well. It's kind of a back door way out of an ADSC early, at the cost of closing some doors. To go to the USAFR or ANG, it takes a bit more leg work (waiver) but is doable (pendulum swings.) Someone who has gone through the process can probably speak more intelligently to it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Officer_Personnel_Management_Act http://dopma-ropma.rand.org/index.html Hope this helps!

Anyone ever bought a house as they were getting off AD? Looking to separate in approximately 6-9 months and buying a house for the next phase of my life. Going to be shooting for the airlines, so there is potentially a time of joblessness or reduced income while I play the waiting game. I have a good chunk of money saved up from 10 years of AD. Questions: Are banks familiar with this situation or are they going to look at a snapshot of time? (no income no loan?) Does a high down payment mitigate some of this? How high would I need? Anyone ever done this before and have anecdotal stories or done this transition before? What was the hardest part?

http://www.duffelblog.com/2015/04/jcs-dont-care-youre-resigning/

Adding on that you are not a military pilot yet, legally. Literally thousands of students have done this before you. Upon graduation, you will get the appropriate paperwork to take to the FSDO (along with your Mil Comp exam certificate.) Let the process play out, moving at the speed of government.

Count me in on the crowd that used to pay attention. Just got Football overload... Thursday night football, Sunday football, Saturday night football (later in the season), Monday Night Football, NFL Network, Fantasy Football (1 pay league, 1 fun league, etc.) I'll watch the big games later in the season, and definitely the playoffs, but now? eh.

Stats are up at http://access.afpc.af.mil/vbinDMZ/broker.exe?_program=DEMOGPUB.static_reports.sas&_service=pZ1pub1&_debug=0 Scroll to [Promotions] INDIVIDUAL LINE MAJ2016

Nominated, but not confirmed: https://www.jqpublicblog.com/congressmen-call-senate-reject-hastings-nomination/

So what's the best (non self destructive) way of not getting offered continuation/getting IVSP? If we go Guard/Reserve, will we have to pay back the IVSP (out of retirement?) Expected/planned passed over IPZ - knew what the game was and decided not to play it. Thankful for the experience but excited to start the next chapter.

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So things are looking up right? http://www.af.mil/Portals/1/documents/SECAF/160819_Fact_Sheet.pdf?ver=2016-08-19-123457-803

2 Nav's didn't make it through UPT - got a FEB waiver (leadership supported) and went back to being Navs. The one I regularly talk to is doing really well. PM me if you want direct contact.

I love papers like this, great read and thanks for the link. Pretty much says the more things change, the more things stay the same. Also, that the "boots on the ramp" was an effective policy to make sure people signed the bonuses.

Bonus take rates updated today, CAO 1 Aug for Pilots: FY16: 42.9% (FY15: 217, FY16: 105, total 322 out of 750 eligible) FY17: 24.8% (FY16: 203, total 203 of 820 eligible) 60 days left.

I too have met a few people who lllooovvveee OPRs and medal writing and being a CEO's assistant. A CSS with a personnelist and 2-6 airmen would be amazing. Anyways, I 100% believe nothing is going to change until at a minimum, DOPMA changes.