YoungnDumb

KSPS (from what I remember) F-22 F-15C F-15E F-16x3 Holloman T-38 FAIP T-6 FAIP C-17 Charleston C-130 Little Rock EC-130 DM E-3x2 OKC A-10x2 (1 Reserve) AC-130W Missing at least one for sure.

Not going after Swizzle, just offering my remarks/unasked for thoughts. In the end all I really want to know is this- What are wings worth? If it's just joining the AF at the right time, then fine, but I used to think it was something more, like, maybe actually being a (sort of) competent pilot.

Better than a 0

They're sending some of the KEND studs to Columbus to finish up. My guess is that since it's isolated to a base that it's something MX related.

Wow, what's the setup for the Growler, i.e. one tour in the Growler than F-15E's or are they going to be permanently Growlers?

Burn it and all the other redundant and pointless pubs. It'll save countless dollars and person hours (since saying man hours now days leads to an MEO hit).

They're all too busy hitting on the stewardesses and enjoying the good life.

I hope his answer is "the vault, the bar, the strip club."

Read literally 4 posts prior to yours...

So 2023 we'll see another U-2 extension letter I assume.

What do most CSO students these days want? Is it pretty spread out or is there a general consensus towards certain missions/airframes?

That may be but how long until the others are backed up? If they simply just move all the students to different air frames it's just spreading the problem not making it any better.

Let's not, already spent 5 years in Enid, I don't think I could take 3 more.

I'm willing to bet it's in response to the B-Courses being backed up/critically manned. The UPT pipeline is more or less broken right now, we finally got AETC to sign off on a maximum class size because we couldn't keep up with what they were trying to do. We had to prove that until we get more manning we can't produce more (yea we all get that without more pilots we can't generate more IP's). And from the rumors I've heard about Holloman and it's manning, I wouldn't be surprised if they're doing something similar.

Can confirm. Growlers were offered to a few Vance bubba's who were IFF complete. Only one of them took it, the others turned it down for various reasons. The guy who took it was an old student of mine. Sounds like a 3 year gig out at Whidbey with a 5th gen follow on is what he was told (not promised mind you, just told). Haven't heard anything about it dropping out of UPT though. On the UPT note I heard an interesting rumor about the drops changing significantly for a while. I guess the DLF OG said something along the lines of only 1 fighter per class from now on.

It's almost like AFPC learned that if you stop sending people to a community for a while they start having a vacuum and need people again...that being said I give it another year or so before we swing back again.

Gotta keep feeding the military industrial complex, remember the DoD is really just a jobs program anymore, how useful or how much we need a piece of equipment is directly proportional to how much money it wastes in the process

Reference my earlier post about T-1's and bombers. It's been a rumor since I was a student, hell we even had an O-5 type say it was happening a year ago. Fair enough on CBM bubbas, but if you look at Vance as well instead of 9 fighters its more like 4 or so with others going to bombers or other places.

Looks like the "everyone gets a fighter" thing is winding down...maybe the AF realized you can't just throw bodies at the pipeline and expect it to work smoothly?

Huggy, can you PM me some contact info? There's a T-6 FAIP in our sister squadron who I know would be interested in and is planning on applying for U-2's in the near future, so I'm sure he'll jump at this opportunity.

That's been the rumor for as long as I've been a FAIP, seen it once and it was a joint spouse setup. Also a good rumor is that the KC-46 is gonna drop soon (been hearing that one since I was a stud).

I'll ask around my Squadron and see if we can bring a T-6, NTA part might be the only lim fac.

Vance T-38 x1 T-38 FAIP x1 F-15E x1 F-16 x2 F-15C x1 A-10 x1 B-1 x1 B-52 T-1's x1 T-6 FAIP x1 C-17 Elmo x1 MC-130 Kadena x2 U-28 x1 C-146 (Reservist) x1 C-130 Puerto Rico (Guard) x1 C-17 Charleston Can't remember the rest as I was fairly inebriated

Just be student who has a pulse by the end of T-38's.

We're already there at END. 30 is the standard for FY 18 classes (current crop of students) and rumor is FY19 will be 32-34.