Lord Ratner

What is confusing? Government screw-ups are not justification for abandoning government action. This used to be a pretty standard policy of the left, considering how many of their programs were grossly mismanaged and abused. None of our laws were written for the situation we are in now. It was never a consideration that tens of millions of people who have no right to be in this country would nevertheless be here. The protections afforded to American citizens, and others legally present within our borders, cannot be extended to every person on the planet. It is not hard to prove citizenship. Neither for the government nor the accused party. That there are a few dozen cases out of literally millions is evidence that this is not a real problem, any more than a few aircraft mishaps out of millions of yearly flights are indicative of a widespread aviation safety threat. The recharacterization of deportation as some sort of punitive action similar to incarceration is the exact trick being used to slow down the process for the ultimate goal of preventing deportation entirely. Same with the refusal of an asylum claim. If you get on a plane to America without a Visa or passport, you are not allowed to leave the airport until you can be seen in front of a judge. You are put on the next flight back to your country. We have the ability for the vast, vast majority of illegal immigrants to quickly confirm their illegal status and return them to their country of origin. Since the problem has been allowed to grow to the tens of millions, there will unsurprisingly be some mistakes along the way. If those mistakes are measured in a fraction of a fraction of a percent, I don't have any problem with that. Once again, show me the American citizens being deported or denied entry back into the country by an intentional process and we will have some sort of agreement. But you can't show that. If you believe the people here illegally have a right to the resources of our country, we just have a fundamental disagreement. I do not believe they have any claim to medical treatment, education, assistance programs, or voting rights. Along those same lines, I do not believe they have any claim to our judicial system, unless of course we are attempting to incarcerate, fine, or otherwise restrict that human being from anything other than their unlawful presence within our borders. Once again, it is simply intentionally naive or disingenuous to act as though we can't figure out who the vast majority of the illegal aliens are. They didn't come here from Mars. They are overwhelmingly from countries south of our border that have fully functioning governments with records systems that track their citizens just as we track ours. The left is just trying to make this about something it isn't because ultimately what they want is for them to stay.

Don't conflate me with other people on this forum. I think that cop thread is a bunch of absolute nonsense. A few bad apples in an otherwise incredibly functioning system, but because the algorithm knows what makes you angry, once you go down that rabbit hole all you'll ever see are cops abusing people's rights. It's a waste of time, as are most exercises dystopian fantasy. I don't care about the school bombing either. Shit happens in war. If A single government official got on the news and high-fived each other and talked about how awesome it was to kill a bunch of little girls (you know, like the Palestinians do), then I'd have a problem. But since I'm a grown-up who served in the military, I know that collateral damage, even mistakenly, sometimes happens. Only children assume that you can build a system free from error or tragedy. Even more ironically, all this hand ringing over the girls school in a country that would happily slaughter my daughter as a heretic if they had half the chance. Don't forget if any of those girls had grown up to be raped in Iran, she'd have an honor killing to look forward to, if she was able to escape the Iranian justice system with proof that she wasn't a willing participant. Spare me. And as far as being disingenuous goes, that's pretty rich. Focusing on the negligible number of citizens who have been swept up in a solution (and not deported) that has been a long time coming is just a distraction. Just be honest, you don't want illegal aliens deported. That's fine, you are allowed a political opinion as much as anyone else, but trying to make it a morality play by over hyping the anomalies because you know that the core argument has no foundation in law, history, or morality, is weak tea.

Nice try. First two links have no deportations. Third link has no names, so the circumstances of the deportation cannot be determined, but every similar named case has been exactly the same. The illegal alien parents of a birthright citizen child(ren) elected to take their citizen children with them back to the country of their deportation. Not the same, and you know it. In fact there's already federal court precedence that removes qualified immunity from law enforcement officials that do not promptly release someone after proving their citizenship. Morales v. Chadbourne But it is a very compelling reason to join the rest of the world and the framers of the 14th amendment in abolishing the nonsense of birthright citizenship.

If you have found any, I would love to see a verified claim that a citizen was deported accidentally. I have seen not one single instance, but even if there was one instance, that would not be relevant. If we had maybe 10 instances or 100 instances, that would start to matter. We're talking about tens of millions of people, and accident rate of 0 is not logical in any context, especially this context. Again, we are not talking about imprisonment, execution, asset seizure, or any other punitive government actions. Those absolutely demand due process. Being deported is simply fixing the glitch. This is one of those issues that doesn't require much research, because you know factually that if there were verified cases of law-abiding citizens being shipped off to El Salvador, you would never hear the end of it from one side of the political spectrum, just like when an immigrant murders and innocent woman on the subway, you never hear the end of it from the other side. So far the left has a bit of a problem producing any evidence of the threats they seem so adamant to defend us against.

Do you really think that this is just about figuring out whether or not the people are illegals or not? You think that's what the deportation judges are doing, looking for clues to figure out if they accidentally scooped up a citizen? Come on, you can't really think that, right? You think that in 2026, with the most unfathomably complex surveillance tools ever imagined by man, the real problem we are having is figuring out who is a citizen and who isn't? Exactly how many citizens are being accidentally deported? You ever met someone who had a hard time proving that they were a citizen? Lol, talk about bad faith.

I will never understand the argument that people in a country illegally should have a months- or years-long right to protest their removal. Are you here legally? If no, then you are deported. Deportation is not imprisonment or punishment, it is merely the cessation of violation. Where's the logical end to this nonsense? Should visa applicants in Zimbabwe have a right to "due process" if they are denied a green card? If not, why is it any different for the Zimbabwean who snuck in? If we are trying to give them prison sentences, then yeah, due process includes the right to a fair trial. But if we're just returning intruders to their rightful place, due process should include only food and water for the journey home.

The best fighter pilots in the world have been trained on an old piece of shit for decades. Stress and repetition, that's all you need. I'll take the graduating pilot who spent 300 hours in an analog dinosaur that kept him at the edge of his ability over the one with 100 hours in a state of the art, modern-day-relevant Gucci trainer. Cheap, simple, plentiful, and fast. That's all we need. But as usual, every acquisition is a vanity project for the good-idea fairies we call generals.

CNBCTrump storms out of interview after being challenged abou...The president said he would like to see the weaponization fund proceed despite setbacks.He's starting to flail. Just goes to show how no matter what's going on or what he's doing, at his core his ego cannot be controlled. Literally nobody gives a shit about January 6th or his nonsensical election fraud claims, yet he keeps bringing up these losing topics because he can't stand the idea that there are any losses whatsoever.

Put them all in jail. Let's get that out of the way. One thing that jumped out when I was reading about it was that I guess he had a journal that they used as evidence. If so, that would be materially different than what Biden, Hillary, Trump, and Pence did. They were sloppy with the classified information that was part of their job. And they took it home with them. But writing a journal about the information, especially when you are as smart as John Bolton is, is a pretty clear instance of creating new classified. From the article you posted it looks like he's only pleading to that charge, and not retention of classified materials, which is basically what the others all did. Don't get me wrong, I think all of them are absolutely full of shit and lying through their teeth when they say they didn't realize what they were doing violated the rules surrounding classified, but it's pretty retarded to sit down and put a bunch of classified information into your diary. And then to use that diary to write a book... Dumb dumb dumb Trump probably comes closest to this offense, only in so far as he went out of his way to retain the glassified information after he was notified of the infraction. So it's particularly rich for him to be going after Bolton. But if Bolton settled, I have to believe the evidence was pretty catastrophic

Sure, but while my suggestion is unlikely, yours is fantasy. I wish that wasn't the case, but here we are.

I mean, this is kind of why we have states in the first place. If veganism becomes that big of an issue, which I have difficulty fathoming, then Oregon would be the logical place for them to congregate and legislate as they see fit Edit: I should add, this is why we probably need make a constitutional amendment requiring quorum of some level in popular votes. If participation is too low, either by design or by chance, big changes should not be possible.

Well yeah obviously, you've demonstrated particularly unbiased judgment of anyone involved with this administration. It should be no surpris that the only ones you like are the ones you agree with. Tulsi is one step away from becoming a Joe Rogan conspiracy theorist. And at this point anybody who brings up Epstein should be disregarded immediately as either too dishonest or too blinded to trust their judgment or assessment of, well, anything. Just another social-mania at its finest.

You guys can't possibly be this unlikable in the office, right? Actually what he said, if you must translate his already clear quote, was: "I could see the Republicans and Democrats both abusing this." And what a wonderful day for you, even Ted Cruz says the Republicans aren't on board with this: Cruz said about 45 of the 53 Senate Republicans were attendance and "at least half of them were blasting the attorney general and they were pissed." "They were screaming at the acting attorney general," he said. "There were multiple senators who were yelling at the attorney general — and it was not calm, it was yelling — and they were saying this feels like self-dealing." Now since you insist on making it partisan, when is the last time the Democrats revolted over a Democrat president being sketchy? Serious question.

The last of the glamour hires. I had high hopes for Bondi, but Gabbard and Noem seemed doomed from the start. Gabbard is isolationist to a fault, and Noem is a clown.

There is a much better case for calling the campaign an operational failure than a moral failure. The only part of that article I find silly is the section on hostages. Israel was obviously not prioritizing the hostages. They were just saying that because the Israelis have a long history of "recovery at any cost." That's why Hamas took hostages in the first place, and I'm sure they were shocked when Israel chose to let many of them languish/die rather than give the upper hand to Hamas.

I'm not so sure that needs to be admitted. Trump has said publicly that he thinks the Iranians are just screwing around. The only way to "win" is to get us to give up. And I think they're looking at the last 30 years of American conflict and hoping that the American people are going to get bored of this, and eventually the administration will be pressured into giving up. So the name of the game is stalling. I actually think the administration figured this out a while ago, which is why we aren't dropping bombs right now, despite Trump's penchant for blustery language. A blockade is boring and cheap, as far as the court of public opinion is concerned. It's also devastating to Iran. And Europe, and Asia, if this thing continues through June. But no one's going to get shot down during a blockade, Iran is obviously out of any meaningful number of drones or TBMs, and so there's nothing particularly newsworthy about what's going on now. Gas prices are up, but not to the point that we're seeing any sort of major disruptions in the economy. And Trump has the ultimate lever on gas prices, so if things do get out of hand he can bring them down (in the US) instantly and persistently. So... We wait. I think it is notable that the administration was telling the Iranian people not to protest or leave their homes throughout the first month of the campaign, and they have given no signal suggesting otherwise. I wonder if they're waiting for the economic situation to get so bad that the people are "primed" for another rebellion, this time with a greatly weakened IRGC.

Ok ok ok, my bad, I thought that you might have been trolling before but now I see the bit. Still not up to the standard of general Chang back in the heyday, but I should have caught on earlier all the same. Bravo! 😂🤣

Thanks for creating the Cliff's notes. My eyes started to glaze over after the first paragraph. I felt like Boomer6 when he sees more than three syllables without a space between them 😂🤣

I'll be fine 😂🤣

Your entire point relies on mischaracterizing every element of the war. Israel has not targeted civilian non-combatants. At any point. However terrorist combatants, or military combatants depending on how you want to characterize Hamas, have absolutely hidden themselves and their equipment under and behind civilians. Which, as anybody who stayed awake during a law of armed conflict class would remember, makes them viable targets. Hamas did not Target Israeli military installations on October 7th. They targeted a music festival and a bunch of pacifist towns. They didn't walk away from women and children who were alone in the house unarmed, they raped and killed them. The women and children were the target, not collateral damage. So you're either a troll, an anti-semite, or an idiot. I suspect all three.

Well, on one hand you believe in the actual definition of genocide, but then on the other you twist terrorism into fitting something that it is not. We just keep coming back to this world of utopian hypotheticals. There has never been a war waged on the scale of what Israel did in Gaza with so few casualties. Ever. Not even close. There are no wars where women and children are spared. Even the concept of innocent children is wildly inflated. If a 14-year-old is holding an AK-47, is he innocent? Is he a child? You keep trying to frame the action itself as the key element of moral versus immoral. Blowing up pagers for example. I'm baffled that someone could be in the military and not understand how obviously useless that framing is. Distinction, necessity, and proportionality are loac concepts specifically for determining whether an action, murder, is moral or immoral. None of the women or children killed on October 7th needed to die to protect the Palestinians from a lethal threat. Not only that, it put them at far greater danger. I just keep going back to how crazy it is the amount of effort you put into excusing the actions of groups like Hamas or the IRGC when they don't even believe in the nonsense you're spouting. They are not defending their wives and daughters against the Israelis. They believe that it is a religious catastrophe of the highest word that Israel exists. They are completely uninterested in peaceful coexistence, and they do not pretend and be interested in it. It's so curious when people get indignant at being called anti-semitic, when they are carrying the water of groups that are openly and proudly call for the actual genocide of the Jewish people. It's akin to saying "I'm not racist, but I think the KKK has an interesting point, and you should at least be able to see things from their perspective." If a man straps his daughter to his chest, breaks into your house and attempts to kill your family, putting a bullet through the girl to stop the murderer is a tragedy. But it is not a immoral.

Neat. None of that is genocide.

Well you're on a roll. "Championing." They're dead because their parents love Islam more than they love their children. They're dead because the leadership in Gaza, that's Hamas, has created an environment so unfathomably miserable by spending every penny the world has given them on tunnels and rockets and guns instead of food and shelter, that the idea of Islamic Paradise is more appealing than the idea of survival. They're dead because the overwhelming majority of Palestinian sentiment was elated by the rape and murder of other innocent children who have a different religion than theirs. They're dead because boys between the age of 12 and 17 were disproportionately likely to be holding an AK-47 when their life was ended by an Israeli strike. Show me one Israeli parade over those dead Palestinian children. Just one. Send me the recording of one Israeli man calling his parents in orgasmic elation because he had just murdered a Palestinian family. I don't think you're evil. I think you're highly emotional, and not intelligent enough to filter out the incredible deluge of propaganda and lies that you are exposed to. Unfortunately, they need you to think that I'm evil. Because if you were able to think clearly for more than 4 seconds, you would see the insanity of the things that you're posting here. You would stop and consider how the things you're suggesting have no historical precedent, and no basis in reality whatsoever. You would see that you're asking other people to accept the death of their innocent children in order to protect the innocent children of others who wish them nothing but annihilation.

No indirect involvement? That's like saying we had no indirect involvement with the Ukrainians fighting back Russia. Cute. The Iranians disagreed about the timing of the attack, not about the attack itself. They've spent billions on Hamas for years for exactly that type of attack. Some of you guys really are a trip. If I spent every day for the last few decades telling you that I was going to rape your wife and kill your kids, and then I rented the house next door and filled it with homeless people, and everyday you saw me and my friends going to that house to teach the homeless people how to rape women and kill children, with boxes of guns and fuzzy handcuffs every time I went there, I don't think you would be particularly confused as to what my intent was. I also don't think you would be dumb enough to call me a "rational actor." It's even funnier because you'll lose your mind over taking something Trump says literally, but when the regime chants Death to America in Friday prayers and in their schools... "Uhm, acktually, they're just doing what a rational actor in the region would be doing!' No, it's enough to make a gullible person less certain. It's remarkable how few Palestinians died in Gaza considering the absolute annihilation of the infrastructure. And I can't recall any history lessons about the Nazis, Bosnians, or Hutus calling every apartment complex they were about to attack warning the residents to flee. The only genocide in Gaza was a genocide of shitty concrete buildings and tunnels. Scholars indeed 🙄

This is amazingly ignorant. Exactly what part of October 7th was in Iran's rational interest? Addressing the rest of your post is pointless until we can establish if you truly believe that Iran is just another rational actor like the United States or Israel.