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The fact that none of those Congressional members came out of the meeting and demanded the resignation of the targeting authority that committed the engagement was telling of this being little more than a political witch hunt. They want Hegseth to resign, and they want to have the fight in the court of public opinion only because they know it doesn’t actually meet the criticism that’s been levied out of “sources.” Democratic critics will happily use the term “war crime” and water down its meaning though just like they did racist and fascist for the convenience it provides to their argument. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Takeaway - never trust Red Crown, avoid as far as tactically feasible.

OK, that is more a reasonable take, apologies for not understanding that initially. The 2001 AUMF has been very broadly applied to target terrorist without regard for location. Historically the current strikes are fairly inline with precedence. Now that said, I completely see the logic in Congress wanting to update this to rein it in. Additionally in accordance with the WPA, the president always has the authority to conduct mil operations when “a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces". Certainly can be debated if throwing drugs at the American population is an “attack upon the US.” Keep in mind China is very involved in this from a supporting role, so I can absolutely see the argument that this is an attack, albeit not in the “traditional sense” with bombs or missiles. Bottom line, a lot nuance and gray area with valid perspectives on both sides of the debate, and therefore it is not currently a “black and white, crosses the line” situation.

The argument is the entire concept of striking drug runners by calling them terrorists, is over the line. And yes, Presidents doing this kind of thing isn't new. The war powers resolution became a thing for a reason.

No RIP yet, but my MFS date popped up under Projected Training on my CDB this morning. Looks like I’ll be headed to WPAFB in mid-Jan.

Rand Paul is full of hot air. From everything I’ve seen, including the first strike video, there wasn’t anything that remotely even touched the line. It went down like thousands of strikes we’ve conducted for decades. Anybody who’s actually done this shit knows this is a total nothing burger. And if we want to get political, I can think of several strikes I’ve seen under Obama that would apparently have our cities on fire by leftist had they known about them (except they wouldn’t care since it was Obama and not Trump). And FWIW, nothing illegal about those strikes either, but the optics are a billion times worse than this boat.

What’s your point?

It is wild how strongly the left sides with terrorist and criminals. But maybe it is just Occam's Razor: they’re so ruled by TDS that they’ll lose their shit over anything and everything they can even loosely connect to Trump, real or imagined. No capacity for nuisance and critical thought.

CDC reports over 80,000 overdose deaths in the US in 2024. Obviously, Opioids are a big part of that, but they are often combined with other drugs including cocaine. Lot of social costs and taxpayer money get sucked up in this problem not to mention health care. On a side note, the cartels covert PR machine will do whatever they can to shape the narrative.

Well this got even more hilariously stupid. No DEVGRU on the boat executing people, just a target boat that wasn’t destroyed after the first shot (#hellfire, amirite!), so they shot it again to ensure a better F-Kill. OMG, that’s only happened hundreds of thousands of times across history. Guess many of us on here should also be convicted of war crimes. Absolute political hack job asshatery. See kids, this is why you don’t blindly believe fabricated political hit pieces masquerading as “factual news.”

@disgruntledemployee Sure, never said anything is impossible. But I’ve been around enough to feel pretty confident DEVGRU dudes didn’t execute people on live TV (e.g. the JOC) - that’s WaPo’s claim. And if that did happen, then by all means let’s have them in court; I’m not against that.

@fire4effect Lots of “credible” sources said the laptop was fake news. Lots of “credible” sources backed Russiagate. I’ve been around the block quite a bit in the terrorist killing world (as have many on here), and I’m calling complete bullshit on the whole thing. If a whole JOC watched DEVGRU execute a couple unarmed dudes who didn’t pose a threat at all, then we’ll be seeing war crimes charges and trials commencing soon. That hypothetical scenario is not something anyone (especially an E/young O) would walk away from unmolested (in the legal sense). Personally, I’ve been involved in four separate occasions where someone “credible” said something happened that was a complete lie. Thankfully every time there was data to prove them a liar and nobody got screwed.

@disgruntledemployee Well a WaPo reporter claims DEVGRU was ordered to execute unarmed people (and did), so it must be true. You actually believe this bullshit?