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In two sentences you contradict yourself. So do you go to Hooters for the high quality food, or to drink beer and stare at hot chicks in tight shirts? Congrats to the dude, but he made a public spectacle of getting engaged to his hot, scantily clad, mildly-public figure g/f. Pretty sure this forum is chock full of pictures of chicks and guys "objectifying women". Is it only off limits this time because you have a big brother complex or because he's a fellow Airman? Where is your protest in the 80+ page NSFW thread? I have no dog in this hunt, but there is a shit load of hipocracy flowing in this thread, and a lot of guys with hurt feelings for her.... when I'd be willing to bet she's got thicker skin than any of you and could probably give a damn less about what a bunch of internet forum puds think about her.

Yeah, direct feedback and honesty are a thing of the past. Maybe the same can be said about that whole "winning wars" thing we had going... Or, you could just shut the fuck up. How's that for bullying?

It's not obsolete. And the fact that it is being systematically stamped out is part of the problem. We didn't get to be the best there ever was without a few hurt feelings along the way. This is not a corporate environment.

You know him personally?

Shack on the above posts. I left ACC 5 years ago when people said the same stuff. Difference is, you get shit done in AFSOC. You'll also find >50% of what u hear from spouses is...well inflated or outright incorrect. After 15 some odd deployments my wife and I hate each other the same as the day we got married. Being in AFSOC is what you (and your wife to a certain degree) make it. Orrrrrrr screw it, go fly tankers and regret it the rest of your life... Cooter PS - lots of love tanker guys, don't read anything into it

I usually don't listen to people who talk about a particular MDS's lifestyle, then state they don't fly it.

Concur. I'm still surprised... after the pain and suffering by others that participate in Facebook... that many still feel the internet is an alternative "Squadron Bar". It's the internet folks. In fact, it's BO.net, which has a significant number of toolbags in the population. These are not "my bros". Reason #76 why I spend less and less time around this site. In my former community, I couldn't even imagine that this type of thing would be posted on the internet by one of "the bros". We certainly have "lively and colorful discussions"... but we keep to ourselves. If someone posted these comments about the wife or fiancee of one of us, it would not go over well at all. That said, it's the internet, and you are entitled to express yourself. However, the lack of tolerance by those that consider themselves tolerant of anything is nothing short of hypocritical. They justify it by a "chill out" or "get a thicker skin"... yet they are the ones telling dissenters to fuck off because they are the intolerant ones. Toro, As the moderator, you've done great work on this forum, and we appreciate it. People aren't infallible, however. And your post was a mistake. As the moderator, your job is to moderate. It is NOT to tell someone who disagrees with you to fuck off,... and then offer to help them disable their account if they can't take a joke. That type of chest thumping by a moderator is a foul. And you... of all people... should understand the 2nd and 3rd order effects of squadron bar talk going online. After having the letter to a lowly college ROTC cadet go viral, and getting spanked by General Kwast, you are the poster child for "this should stay in the squadron, with the bros". I don't know what kind of punishment, what Letter of Reprimand you received, or how long you were grounded, but you certainly laid low around here for some time. And while I'm sure you are like the rest of us, and yuck it up now that it's been a few years, I'm betting you weren't real fond of the internet for a while. And finally... to tell us that because we feel the comments are in very bad taste, that we are responsible for SARC training... it's absurd, you know it's absurd, and it does nothing but reduce your standing as a moderator on this board.

I'm not even sure why we're having a discussion with USAFpilot. He preaches quite a bit from his soapbox yet a short while back he wrote a pages long dissertation in another thread (not sure which and don't feel like looking it up) blaming the Jews for every problem in America. Kinda lost most of his credibility back then (unless you're the tinfoil hat type).

Not a gunship guy, but 6 years in AFSOC. Huge foul on anyone not ASW a community to speak about it. Yes you'll deploy, but there are worse OPTEMPOs and if you love your job life will be easier on the home front. I don't like being apart from my family either-- but it's manageable and I do get a lot of off time when I'm home and I get to lead in combat and kill America's enemies. If you have that itch, you'll regret not scratching it.

Interesting choice of words to use while making that statement.

Disagree. It's difficult to look at everything in context because one of the moderators (not me) deleted a majority of the posts that were deemed offensive or inflammatory. In my first post (which is still there), I simply said that the guy was in the 492nd based on his patch. After several people posted ridiculous physical flaws in what we all agree is an extremely attractive woman, I took their words and put them into a picture with "2/10 would not bang" at the bottom. For those who are unfamiliar with that meme, here's the summary: Not only was it a joke, it was pointing out the idiocy of those critiquing her. So for some hypersensitive idiot to get up in arms and try to imply that my post was offensive to her was absolutely ridiculous. The SARC comment comes from the fact that stupid shit like this trivializes the real problem, and we end up having "morale and welfare checks" where - ironically - this picture would have been removed from his office or any public workspace because people feel that it contributes to a sexually hostile work environment. As far the email jab, I'll take that, but I didn't lay low around here at the time, I simply didn't post anything in that particular thread.

Super drink off!

You don't represent me. I love freedom so much that I want more than what they say I can have. I say what is on my mind and this forum is a great place for that kind of free thought. Don't like it? Don't read it! Just like I replaced your "words" with the common noise called "blah" because I didn't read it. And when people make asses of themselves, and they do, we usually do a good job of calling that crap out. If you want a non-public forum, post on af.mil. Vote with your comments and take them elsewhere. Go start your own site with the like minded and see how much fun you can have. Maybe it'll work out for you. Now get off my lawn. Out

Wow- I can't believe I'm going to say this, but imo the moderation here has gotten BETTER than in years past. At least from my perspective. I think the mods know they weren't correct when they changed people's posts, etc. If someone feels they were chased off then that's on them for not sticking up. Hell I've had multiple attempts of someone(s) try to chase me out of here, but guess what... I'm still here making people roll their eyes. Because I believe when a mod crosses a line, the other mods hold that person accountable. That said I do have warnings that are over 5 years old now, but whatever. Has the content been a bit stale lately? Sure. But maybe that's because that's what these "new Air Force" users are bringing to the table. Don't like the content? Then post the shit you do like, or don't and keep bitching about it. I can agree that you should need to be a registered user here to view the info, but requiring a .mil address:? GTFO.

If you don't learn to spell Hurlburt you will be sent to Cannon.

You're missing the point. I would venture to guess that most of us are well aware of the 2/10 meme. I don't think anyone was implying that she was unattractive. We get the joke. When the posts were made of a woman holding a phallic object (ref the "gummy" comments) and "would not bang", the conversation turned from making fun of our Strike Pig driver bro to hyper-sexualizing his soon-to-be wife. Not all women are "asking" to be ogled and treated like a piece of meat. I hope that we would make the assumption that, until proven otherwise, every woman - especially a bro's fiancé - is deserving of being treated like a lady.

I agree. Here's a great article on the decline of chivalry and over-sexualization of society in general. BL: Women can't ask for men to be chivalrous and then flaunt their sexuality at the same time. In this particular instance, I don't think the fact that she's a cheerleader makes it safe to assume that she wants to be objectified. I choose to give her the benefit of the doubt.

I was still in high school when I first started going to baseops. It was around 2005 that I started seriously looking into the military and baseops was a great resource. Baseops is a much better recruiting tool than any Air Force advertisement featuring fighters, General Welsh, TIB, etc. I was able to talk to guys like Hiflyer and Hacker online. I started reading Hacker’s blog when he was in UPT and he was awesome at getting information to those who asked. Hiflyer has probably been a more superior resource for guys trying to commission through OTS than most Air Force recruiters. You get a little desensitized to it once you are in the Air Force surrounded by pilots, but in high school and college, having a candid conversation with a retired U-2 pilot was a big deal. These are two people out of many that frequent Baseops that are all about providing knowledge and sharing experience to people. I am not the type of person that frequents 30 different forums, trolling, and stirring the pot like PYB. I am on this forum to read the perspectives from people relating to the Air Force. At training, I told multiple guys about Baseops and what a great resource it was. Many of them joined the forum. I kept in touch with a lot of friends on Baseops after training. Threads like “Squadron daily Pic” and “WTF” are entertaining but the ability communicate with multiple officers about Air Force related topics in an anonymous setting is why this forum is a valuable resource. I was one of the people that had their account deleted and have been blocked multiple times for long periods. My account has been “accidentally” deleted twice. After the second time it was deleted, I made another account to contact an admin to see if there was some type of accident with my account and he threatened to delete the new account I made because I was trying to get around the rules by making another account. After disagreeing with an Admin in one of the political forums, I was sent this… “You just earned a five-day ban for arguing with an admin on the forum. When the ban is over, your posts will require moderator approval before showing up on the forum. Any more arguing or trolling will result in an increased or even permanent ban.” A few weeks later I was still blocked. one1 Sent 25 April 2013 - 07:44 AM M2, You banned me last week. Can you please unlock my original account. I can understand that you disagreed with what I said but I didn't think you were going to ban me for it. I thought you were disagreeing with me as a normal BO user. As you said earlier, when you are communicating as an ADMIN you normally bold everything. I don't really want to post anymore. I especially don't want to post on the political/social related threads if I am going to get banned because I don't have the same views on social issues and political issues. On the other hand, I would still like to be able to post on the Air Force related threads. I would appreciate if you would unlock my last account. Thanks M2 Administrator Sent 25 April 2013 - 07:57 AM You received a one-week ban for negative comments on Moderator actions. It was noted in your warning status. It wasn't a matter of posting opposing viewpoints, but you have gained a reputation for being an instigator and that usually results in what is considered trolling. You should have not created a second account to get around it as that is also a banning offense, but I'll let this one go and will delete this account in a day or two. Do not post using this account or it will result in a permanent ban and your IP address, email and/or user name being blocked from returning to this forum. You will be able to log into your regular account when the ban expires. I will not remove it beforehand, and be aware that any similar offenses will result in more and longer bans. one1 Super User Sent 25 April 2013 - 09:41 AM Okay, thanks. I thought you banned me permanently. one1 Super User Sent 29 April 2013 - 05:39 PM It has been 12 days and I can't log on. Is it supposed to automatically unlock my account after a week? M2 Administrator Sent 29 April 2013 - 06:53 PM I just did a search for your profile via the admin section but it is not showing up. I don't know why, but I can tell you I didn't delete it. That doesn't mean another moderator or admin didn't. Permanently banned accounts will still show up, deleted ones will not. The last copy of your profile I can locate using a different search was dated 22 Mar 13 with the following stats: Group Supreme User Active Posts 426 (0.86 per day) Most Active In Squadron Bar (229 posts) Profile Views 1,656 With a reputation of 53. I can restore your post count, status and reputation using the new account you created if for some reason I cannot recover your old account. Standby and I will get back to you. Until then, feel free to use the new account you set up. M2 Sent 01 May 2013 - 06:37 PM Sorry, but I cannot recover your old account. It is not showing up in the AdminCP software that runs the forum, not even under banned, locked or any of the other categories. I even searched on your IP address and email with no luck. Unfortunately, there's nothing I can do beyond changing your Member Title and Post Count to reflect the last status I could find from 22 March stats. I'll see if any of the other administrators have any ideas, but I don't think the odds are good that anyone will be able to do anything more than I have. M2 Administrator Sent 01 May 2013 - 07:29 PM Well, got an explanation as to what may have happened... Quote Due to the overwhelming number of spammers that create accounts daily (usually hundreds), I have a daily routine of deleting anybody in the banned or spammer list. One of the forum experts will see if there is any way to recover your old account, but at this point it may just be gone. one1 Super User Sent 01 May 2013 - 10:47 PM Okay. Thank you. I am sure I am not the only person that has had their account “accidentally” deleted. I know on political and social issues I might be the minority here but I really never saw myself as saying anything inappropriate. People have said some pretty horrible things on this forum (rape, sexual assault, racial and sexist remarks towards military officers or government officials) on this website, but if you argue about something like gun control, you better choose your words wisely. I am not saying this to complain. I am more than happy just lurking on the forum. I am okay with someone calling me a fucking idiot about my point of views, but when admin start to change the content of user posts and constantly ban users, what is the point of logging in when you are better off reading the forum as a guest. When you start banning people left and right, tell every new member to STFU, and discourage opposing views, don’t be surprised when Baseops numbers slowly decrease. I don’t have anything against M2 or any of the other moderators. I am just surprised at how serious some of the moderators are on this site. If you met another military member in person and bullshitted with them at the bar and disagreed with them about something, you wouldn’t go on a crazy tirade and try to shut them up. You would laugh at them for being stupid, maybe make a joke or two at their expense, and then buy them a beer. Why are other down to earth individuals that are educated military members act like different people when they are communicating over the internet? It has already been said, but if you met the guy that proposed to the cheerleader, would you really have the balls to say the same shit to him in person at the bar? That isn’t some random, unknown dude. He is someone that you could be TDY or deployed with. I think that people get it in their head that they should treat this forum like one of the thousands of other forums that are found on the internet. Maybe I am wrong, but I don’t remember the forum being this way 5 years ago.