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Here we go. Because he's not holding the picket lines with the rest of the AF haters, he's a butt-sniffing, ball-washing CCE. I'm sure he's heartbroken that he solidified your reasons for leaving. You must be relieved that some dude on an anonymous internet forum has validated your life altering decision for leaving the AF. My commanders never had any interest in making me their exec. Maybe it's because I lack certain queepy skill sets required of executive officers, maybe it's because I'm too ugly to use as the front man, maybe both. In fact, I'm a pretty average dude, with a career vector that shoots right through the middle of the bell curve, yet I still enjoy the club. It could be better (I long for the days of yore when the local talent was bussed through the front gate and to the front door of the O-club for us to fornicate upon), but the club is still a place where I can tie one on with the bros, have a beer with my boss, and call the shoes out for texting like a$sh0les. Unfortunately, with every pus$y that rebukes the club on trumped up charges like "the food is no good", "the service is lousy" or "I'm too cheap and antisocial to buy a messdress as I'd rather spend Friday nights locked in my masterbatorium", the club looses out on revenue and your bros miss out on your camaraderie. I'm still on the fence regarding staying in beyond my UPT ADCS that expires in a year, but if I get out, it won't be because of crappy food at the club and my dues will be paid through 31 Aug 15.

Kinda shitty....The class graduation isn't really about you. But, I guess you don't go to your friends' weddings...because you'd have to rent a tux...or funerals because you'd have to buy a suite. Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App!

Why can't the Air Force call Jon Taffer? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Wing exec?

Maybe if the clubs had decent food and service, and were remotely fun to hang out at, then they wouldn't be in the red and the WG/CC wouldn't be trying to figure out how to keep it open.

One of my favorite recurring AF moments is emptying the pockets of my mess dress when an event comes up and finding the booze that I stuffed in there from the last event. Then, prior to the event, I buy a bunch of hotel sampler booze bottles and the cycle repeats itself....

In all fairness, people are complaining about minute bullshit like the clubs because the big problems have been discussed ad nauseum with no fixes in sight. The most promising chief of staff in a generation is either unwilling or unable to fix the big issues plaguing this organization. I'm sure he's a fantastic guy to have a beer with, but it seems that he's just another politician manager in a long line of them, albeit one who isn't socially inept and really does give a great speech. Still waiting on that vector from January 2013... This is hardly the first time the lameness of the club has been discussed here. The AF reaps what it sows- it castrated the clubs in a knee-jerk reaction to public scandals, and then acts surprised when most people have zero desire to use it. Combine that with the younger generation of officers' desire to have a distinct work/life separation, and this is what you get. Fuck it, let it die.

What's really wrong with the AF is that it takes at least MAJCOM approval to shut a club. Rather than figure out how to best provide air, space, and cyber power, WG/CCs are spending way too much time figuring out how to keep all the balls in the air when it simply isn't possible.

Buy it for your loved ones, they dig it, get over it.

Mess dress purchase was mandatory at OTS. IIRC, you had to buy it the first week, presumably so AAFES could capture $400 from the 10% who quit before they threw in the towel.

Actually, they have to use the club. Many classes try to get a venue off-base but leadership and the club don't allow it. Kind of pathetic that there is a monopoly on this. Also, many classes have tried to buy kegs off-base with higher quality beer for cheaper than the horse-piss that the club offers, but they are not allowed to. This would be a non-issue if strippers were bused in to the club like how it was done in another Air Force far far away...

You're assuming the only option was to go in the way we did, with 100,000 troops. We should have left Big Army at home, and let the bearded commandos and air strikes do their thing. Afghanistan would be the same festering shithole it is today, we'd still have killed plenty of terrorists, 2000+ servicemembers would still be alive, and we'd have an extra half-trillion dollars lying around.

That logic is not nearly sensational enough.

People like this piss me off in any profession. "I'm getting more than I deserve so let's look at everybody else and assume they feel the same way." Fuck this guy.

I don't know you and I don't know this colonel, but something strikes me as rather chickensh!t to call someone out by name in an anonymous forum and not give a reason why.

And you, Sir, are a shining example of the reason why I am getting out. It definitely looks like I struck a nerve with you. Thanks for validating further, not that I really needed anymore validation, but I do appreciate it. From your wording, I can only assume you are either management or aspiring to be in management--I hope the kool aid tastes good. I too wish you the very best of luck in your career. May it be filled with multiple 365s, extraordinary PME experiences, never ending CBTs, a few stars, screwing over your people for personal gain, and endless queep piles. And no, that post was not about kids meals, it is about how management tends to waste endless amounts of time on trivial matters that can be handled at much lower levels-if at all... Sure sounds like it El Loco. Duder went full-personal on here...

This, plus the fact that I refuse to buy mess dress, is why I never attended a graduation of any of the classes I instructed over my 3.5 years. Why didn't he crush the club for having shitty food? If it was good enough that people would be willing to pay for it, this wouldn't be an issue.

Please tell me you're not serious