bennynova Posted October 5, 2020 Posted October 5, 2020 Just now, 14N Guy said: Are the board demographics posted to RAW after the promotion board is released to the public? I checked this morning and didn't see them yet. Yes. It may take a couple of days. I checked too. They may be on first thing tomorrow morning. 1
14N Guy Posted October 5, 2020 Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) Leadership did contact me and confirmed. Hopefully the dudes out there that were in a similar situation to me can benefit from the changes the AF is making, and hopefully the AF continues to make changes to improve how all of this is done. Edited October 5, 2020 by 14N Guy
celtic020 Posted October 5, 2020 Posted October 5, 2020 20 minutes ago, bennynova said: Yes. It may take a couple of days. I checked too. They may be on first thing tomorrow morning. Line number should also flow to MILPDS (and subsequently to your VMPF dashboard) 24-48 hours after public release. Will be interested to see if they implemented merit-based line numbers on this board....I know they said they were going to but who knows.
bennynova Posted October 5, 2020 Posted October 5, 2020 16 minutes ago, 14N Guy said: Leadership did contact me and confirmed. Hopefully the dudes out there that were in a similar situation to me can benefit from the changes the AF is making, and hopefully the AF continues to make changes to improve how all of this is done. Sorry to hear, 14N. How many years to retirement?
BKANO Posted October 5, 2020 Posted October 5, 2020 2 hours ago, pawnman said: How long did they book the meeting for, and is it their office or yours? 30 minutes in their office
Jpilot Posted October 5, 2020 Posted October 5, 2020 Anyone have knowledge of pin-on sequence with these subcategory line numbers?
Jetpilot Posted October 5, 2020 Posted October 5, 2020 2 hours ago, celtic020 said: Line number should also flow to MILPDS (and subsequently to your VMPF dashboard) 24-48 hours after public release. Will be interested to see if they implemented merit-based line numbers on this board....I know they said they were going to but who knows. They did the merit based line number allocation.
14N Guy Posted October 5, 2020 Posted October 5, 2020 3 hours ago, bennynova said: Sorry to hear, 14N. How many years to retirement? 2.5...almost there!
bennynova Posted October 5, 2020 Posted October 5, 2020 Confirmed. Did not make. Great! who’s the organization we bother at AFPC? afpc/dp....
celtic020 Posted October 5, 2020 Posted October 5, 2020 18 minutes ago, bennynova said: Confirmed. Did not make. Great! who’s the organization we bother at AFPC? afpc/dp.... Sorry man -- that's baffling. Sadly on these Air Force boards there are always a handful every year that make zero sense. AFPC.DP2SPP.OfficerPromotions@us.af.mil
FourFans Posted October 5, 2020 Posted October 5, 2020 30 minutes ago, bennynova said: Confirmed. Did not make. Great! who’s the organization we bother at AFPC? afpc/dp.... There are some baffling results on that list, including a golden nugget APZ with a P an no IDE (seriously?!) who got picked up, yet there were multiple DPs NOT picked up. The lesson is: Go Guard/AFRC...but I digress... I know the pain of getting passed over and that game sucks any way you play it, especially with a DP. Sorry man. The good news is, this isn't the end, and if you don't make promotion later, the USAF REALLY needs you. It's weird, but it's true. Your commander should have a full data download and fact finding mission of his/her own...I'd be pissed if you were in my unit and this happened. However, the individual (my experience is 3 years old, so take it with a grain of salt) that conducts all the passed over counseling is a Miss Autumn Fowley (I don't have global, so i might be spelling that wrong) at AFPC. Passed over counseling is a one-on-one phone interview with her where your record is evaluated against a sampling of records from your board. She should give an assessment of what's different in the passed over record, and what items stand out as different and might have contributed to not making it. At no point will you get a 100% answer as to why you didn't make it. You will never know who was on the board, nor what was said about your PRF. Great process, right? (For frame of reference, Marine officers know who will be grading their board before they even turn in their PRFs, and are encourage to ask individuals why they didn't make it) Ask your commander what the current process is regarding continuation. That shouldn't be a player unless you get passed over 1 APZ though. If you are a flyer, you should get continued, but stranger things have happened. Ask your commander and don't quit until you have solid answer on the current process. If you don''t get an answer, consider skipping your commander, it's that important. The last thing you want is a surprise letter saying you've not been continued because of some form that wasn't submitted correctly (I've seen it happen). Again, this should all come from your commander. However, having experienced no support upon being passed over, I don't want you to suffer more frustration in this moment. PM me if you've got more questions. 3
jrizzell Posted October 5, 2020 Posted October 5, 2020 40 minutes ago, FourFans130 said: There are some baffling results on that list, including a golden nugget APZ with a P an no IDE (seriously?!) who got picked up, yet there were multiple DPs NOT picked up. The lesson is: Go Guard/AFRC...but I digress... I know the pain of getting passed over and that game sucks any way you play it, especially with a DP. Sorry man. The good news is, this isn't the end, and if you don't make promotion later, the USAF REALLY needs you. It's weird, but it's true. Your commander should have a full data download and fact finding mission of his/her own...I'd be pissed if you were in my unit and this happened. However, the individual (my experience is 3 years old, so take it with a grain of salt) that conducts all the passed over counseling is a Miss Autumn Fowley (I don't have global, so i might be spelling that wrong) at AFPC. Passed over counseling is a one-on-one phone interview with her where your record is evaluated against a sampling of records from your board. She should give an assessment of what's different in the passed over record, and what items stand out as different and might have contributed to not making it. At no point will you get a 100% answer as to why you didn't make it. You will never know who was on the board, nor what was said about your PRF. Great process, right? (For frame of reference, Marine officers know who will be grading their board before they even turn in their PRFs, and are encourage to ask individuals why they didn't make it) Ask your commander what the current process is regarding continuation. That shouldn't be a player unless you get passed over 1 APZ though. If you are a flyer, you should get continued, but stranger things have happened. Ask your commander and don't quit until you have solid answer on the current process. If you don''t get an answer, consider skipping your commander, it's that important. The last thing you want is a surprise letter saying you've not been continued because of some form that wasn't submitted correctly (I've seen it happen). Again, this should all come from your commander. However, having experienced no support upon being passed over, I don't want you to suffer more frustration in this moment. PM me if you've got more questions. Everything FourFans said is spot on. I do think it’s Autumn Foley, she’s been there for awhile. The only additional piece of advice, is scour your As Meet records. If you find anything missing or incorrect, there’s a process to apply and meet a supplemental board. If your missing an OPR, could be a game changer. The guy punch is real, and I never really get more than “needed more O6 strats”. Keep your head up, different opportunities are available to you now. 2
pawnman Posted October 5, 2020 Posted October 5, 2020 2 hours ago, Jetpilot said: They did the merit based line number allocation. So I'll probably be at the bottom... 1
CaptainMorgan Posted October 5, 2020 Posted October 5, 2020 Do you guys think a wrong duty title would be enough to get on the supplemental?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
jrizzell Posted October 5, 2020 Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, CaptainMorgan said: Do you guys think a wrong duty title would be enough to get on the supplemental? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk There is a form you submit, which explains the error, and how it affected your board. Personally, I would try. You lose nothing by trying to meet the supplemental. Touch bases with Autumn Foley, she’ll be able to provide current guidance. Mine experience is several years old. For reference, my OSB showed me in S flying status, versus K flying status. I was on staff, and the paperwork hadn’t caught up to reflect me being in an Non-Flying billet. I used that to get another look. Edited October 5, 2020 by jrizzell 1
bennynova Posted October 5, 2020 Posted October 5, 2020 FYSA, Autumn has moved....or is no longer in the GAL.
14N Guy Posted October 5, 2020 Posted October 5, 2020 2 hours ago, bennynova said: Confirmed. Did not make. Great! who’s the organization we bother at AFPC? afpc/dp.... Sorry to hear that, man.
FourFans Posted October 5, 2020 Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) 40 minutes ago, bennynova said: FYSA, Autumn has moved....or is no longer in the GAL. In that case...call every single number in AFPC until you find her replacement. I'm not kidding. All the GS's know each other...and it'll likely be a GS. That's how I found the 365 deployment manager, the 179 deployment manager, and the BACN deployment manager. As for a supplemental, do everything and anything you can to get anyone to look at your record again. It's that simple. It takes a single person to recognize "well shit, we should have promoted this guy" for you to get picked up. We all wish it were different and that 'the process' worked to promote the right ones, but it's not that way. ANY reason to put your record in front of a different set of eyes is good. Edited October 5, 2020 by FourFans130
BigWing Posted October 5, 2020 Posted October 5, 2020 So I'll probably be at the bottom...I don't think they did the entire list merit ordered. I was told a certain percentage was merit ordered then the rest was time in grade based. My line number is fairly low and I have APZ friends with lower numbers. Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk 1
bennynova Posted October 5, 2020 Posted October 5, 2020 Great to know. I am going to try to get onto an SSB, and plan is to get promoted. I have an error of 2 duty histories, which didn’t make the difference, but should get me an SSB. im not sure what happened, but I’m gonna get to the bottom of it.
FourFans Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, bennynova said: Great to know. I am going to try to get onto an SSB, and plan is to get promoted. I have an error of 2 duty histories, which didn’t make the difference, but should get me an SSB. im not sure what happened, but I’m gonna get to the bottom of it. Glad to hear you still have the fight. Is your commander in the fight with you? Honestly, he/she SHOULD be the one leading that fight with rage, fury, and an unquenchable lust for justice. You can still win that fight, I am simply curious as to the current state of leadership. BL: It is not your job to write your OPR, PRF, or get to the bottom of why you did or did not get promoted. That's a commander's job. If your commander is not leading that fight, I would gladly rip that faggotrous pin off their chest. Ability to command and lead is demonstrated, not earned. Edited October 6, 2020 by FourFans130 grammar spelling meaning and the rest 3 2
celtic020 Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, BigWing said: I don't think they did the entire list merit ordered. I was told a certain percentage was merit ordered then the rest was time in grade based. My line number is fairly low and I have APZ friends with lower numbers. Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk You already got your line number? Are they uploaded somewhere already? Edited October 6, 2020 by celtic020
BigWing Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 You already got your line number? Are they uploaded somewhere already?My boss had it already when he notified me. Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk
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