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1 hour ago, otsap said:

The way I read the chart posted on the previous page is that Tier 6 and 7 can sign the bonus for a "minimum" of 3 years, but up to 22 YAS.  Tier 8 has one option; 5 years.  So if you took the 1 year option last year, you wouldn't be "initial eligible" (Tiers 1-5), but Tiers 6-8 would apply to you instead, and you'd be able to sign for 3 more years at a minimum, not to exceed 22 YAS.  And I've never been wrong before.

 

Unfortunately I think you are wrong this time. 

The verbiage in the draft that someone posted on Facebook looks the same as last year. What it means is for contract expired folks, you can sign a second contract to either 22, 23, or 24 YAS but it must be a 3-year minimum. So if you are at 20 YAS, you’d have to sign until 23 YAS. 

 

I’d love to be able to sign another bonus contract for 3 years only, but sadly I don’t think that will happen. 

That being said, the draft I saw also had verbiage that lumped the 1-yr contract in with the initial eligible folks and then explained their options So I don’t think they won your guys will get screwed. Just got a wait until it’s actually released since they like to make last-minute changes.

 

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On 4/26/2018 at 8:41 AM, bronxbomber252 said:

Was given this with word that the official announcement will be today:

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So I've seen this floating around and it's nice to have for SA...but any idea when the official PSDM 18-34 will drop (again)?

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So I've seen this floating around and it's nice to have for SA...but any idea when the official PSDM 18-34 will drop (again)?

Rumor was last week sooooo....The links in the “officially released” PSDM still go to the old 2017 myPers pages and the application drop down menus are all old and don’t match the new tiers. This rollout has been breathtaking.

 

Is it just me or is this the norm for bonus drop? Instead of getting everything behind the scenes squared away before the official release they wait to see how pissed everyone is at the offerings, THEN they make their final adjustments based on public outrage, and THEN officially officially officially release it?

 

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19 hours ago, memelord said:

Is it just me or is this the norm for bonus drop?

I was a 2015 taker (5-year option, thankfully).  Yes, this level of buffoonery is completely normal. 

Opaque this new clear.

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The problem to me is that the GOs who are the actual decision makers on things like the bonus seem to be perpetually years behind the issue.  The bonus structure above should have been offered 3-4 years ago. $35K then might have gotten some contract expired folks (experienced IPs/EPs) to sign on until 22 YAS, but now it won't affect anyone.

 

Even with 17.5  years in, it still amazes me the hesitancy HAF has for trying to retain pilots and previous bonus takers. They'd rather spend millions per UPT student and wreck the Air Force for 5-7 years while they "ramp up production" and train brand new inexperienced pilots than lobby to pay experienced pilots/IPs/EPs $55K-$65K extra a year of retention money (yet have no issues doing that for doctors or lawyers).

 

It's as if they don't view your service as pure enough if money affects your decision matrix.  They only seem to want the folks willing to sacrifice for peanuts.

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11 hours ago, Hunter Rose said:

Even with 17.5  years in, it still amazes me the hesitancy HAF has for trying to retain pilots and previous bonus takers. They'd rather spend millions per UPT student and wreck the Air Force for 5-7 years while they "ramp up production" and train brand new inexperienced pilots than lobby to pay experienced pilots/IPs/EPs $55K-$65K extra a year of retention money (yet have no issues doing that for doctors or lawyers).

That's because people still embrace the up or out mentality. And IMHO, the fly only track will not solve anything until that mentality changes.

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Were any of you able to opt in early for the FY17 bonus? The way last year's and this draft is written seems like you can only opt-in if your ADSC expires in the same fiscal year.  However, that contradicts the DoDI, the U.S.C., and the AFI, which all read that to be eligible your ADSC must be expired or expiring within one-year. Any thoughts?

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Due to the risk of it possibly going up the following year? I'm a 12R and am just skeptical that the AF may reconsider the present amount offered next year if there is a high take rate. 

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JPIG, if you know a lot of 12Rs that you trust you could all agree to not take the bonus early. Doing so may even cause the AF to raise the bonus for your career field. Knowledge is power. 

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13 hours ago, Lifer said:

JPIG, if you know a lot of 12Rs that you trust you could all agree to not take the bonus early. Doing so may even cause the AF to raise the bonus for your career field. Knowledge is power. 

I admire your faith in big AF’s ability to take action when confronted with a retention problem

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Bonus proration question.  I took the 3 year/25k AGR bonus in 2015.  At the time my orders ended in Jan 2018, 4 months shy of 3 years.  In 2017 my orders were extended 2 more years to 2020. My last payment was prorated to Jan 18, even though I served the 3 year commitment.  Currently have a myPers “incident report” in per my local finance to get the full payment and I’m sure they’ll get on a one sentence reply any month now.  Anyone else delt with something like this?

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12 hours ago, Larry Sellers said:

Bonus proration question.  I took the 3 year/25k AGR bonus in 2015.  At the time my orders ended in Jan 2018, 4 months shy of 3 years.  In 2017 my orders were extended 2 more years to 2020. My last payment was prorated to Jan 18, even though I served the 3 year commitment.  Currently have a myPers “incident report” in per my local finance to get the full payment and I’m sure they’ll get on a one sentence reply any month now.  Anyone else delt with something like this?

Nope, but I’ve seen it be an issue.  At our unit, the AGR orders are changed when you sign the bonus to run concurrently so this is not an issue.

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Supposedly the ANG FY18 AvB completed its routing for signatures about a month ago. Does anyone know of its status?

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On 4/26/2018 at 5:24 PM, Homestar said:

That’s because we have people getting up in front of the Chief and SECAF and saying it’s not about the money. 

It is about the money. It’s also about other stuff. But it is 100% about the money. And that’s ok. 

Totally agree! The money is the ONLY thing you can count on, everything else is built on hope. I hope the AF gets turned around but unfortunately there is risk it will not get get better. 

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1 hour ago, Orbit said:

"Everything is on the table"  

Just not higher pay...

Senator: You requested $35k for the bonus... is that enough?

CSAF: It is.

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1 hour ago, sling-it-17 said:

They want to wait and see what the 5k bump does....

Kind of need to release the PDSM and ctually offer a bonus first to see what the 5K bump does. 

I wonder how long HAF will sit on this. Hopefully we see it offered sometime in June. 

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22 hours ago, FourFans130 said:

Don't take the bonus.  The USAF cannot be trusted.

This.  Seeing TAMI-21 happen as a Lt in a CAF SQ made me significantly reassess my view of big blue.  Passed on the bonus.

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On 5/21/2018 at 4:23 AM, FourFans130 said:

Cuz I haven't seen it said recently here:

Don't take the bonus.  The USAF cannot be trusted.

But but but integrity something something service...  put that on your f’ing quad chart Air Force, I’m out...

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On 5/17/2018 at 11:05 AM, Barrelroll9 said:

Supposedly the ANG FY18 AvB completed its routing for signatures about a month ago. Does anyone know of its status?

See attached. Buddy of mine texted the pictures to me since I'm off the AFNET. 

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Just got the eligibility email on the active duty side. So I guess it’s officially released. My tier bumped up $500/yr from the initial PSDM so looks like they made adjustments.

 

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