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Flaco    94

Doing a little research. Can you guys give me examples of what your WG/CC has defined as the "local area" for leave purposes?

If you could point me to where I can download your wing supp to AFI36-3003 or the written policy letter that would be even mo betta.

Thanks all.

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Smokin    145

Fighter squadron commander in USAFE defined it as 6.5 hrs drive or if you were taking a train more than 3 hrs (ability for a buddy to come pick you up and make it back due to the frequent train strikes) or flying anywhere.  But that was prior to the new leave reg edition.

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ThreeHoler    413

I miss the old days...it was "anywhere CONUS as long as you're willing to pay for the transportation back to be home within 12 hours of the call so you can have 12 hours of crew rest."

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Fuzz    446

I believe it's 6 hours driving at McChord, anytime you fly or go to Canada, and then during Nov-Mar you can't be through the passes in case they close due to WX.

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Flaco    94

Thanks for the info everyone. I've looked on AF portal for a link to the supps but couldn't find any.

Anyone have a link to where I can get these policies in writing? 

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stract    170

Flaco, "in writing" could just be a given SQ/CC's policy letter.  Doubt you'll find that online.  Why do you need it "in writing"?

 

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Lstcause257    6

Leave and pass is a commander's program. They can set distances and restrictions as they see fit. I remember at Keesler it was east or west to the state line and north as far as Hattiesburg.

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Azimuth    353
5 hours ago, JBueno said:

Outside of your yard, past 0001, for those in AETC, no? Let's get those 29B's in!

AETC doesn't have a local area, that's why they make you fill out a 29B.

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viper154    92

I think it's if you can get back in 12 hours for the RPA Squadrons at Holloman. We were told at some point Vegas is local area for the guys traveling back to see family on weekends or house hunt. Can't site pub though. Never read it or care to. Last AETC base was a couple hour drive. (6 is ringing a bell) 

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HeloDude    587
34 minutes ago, Lstcause257 said:

Leave and pass is a commander's program. They can set distances and restrictions as they see fit. I remember at Keesler it was east or west to the state line and north as far as Hattiesburg.

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Negative...there has to be legitimate mission reasons for this to be the case.  Sometimes this applies, more often times this doesn't (don't forget, not all squadrons involve planes/ops type people). 

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Lstcause257    6
Leave and pass is a commander's program. They can set distances and restrictions as they see fit. I remember at Keesler it was east or west to the state line and north as far as Hattiesburg.

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Negative...there has to be legitimate mission reasons for this to be the case.  Sometimes this applies, more often times this doesn't (don't forget, not all squadrons involve planes/ops type people). 

By what reg? The reg actual statement is "The local area is the place where the member lives and from which he or she commutes to the duty station."

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HeloDude    587
26 minutes ago, Lstcause257 said:

By what reg? The reg actual statement is "The local area is the place where the member lives and from which he or she commutes to the duty station."

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I was commenting on the pass portion of the post I was responding to.

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Reg says you have to start and end leave in the local area. Doesn't say you have to take leave if you aren't in the area you live/commute to work from.  The pass section specifically prohibits mileage limits being set by CCs. 

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ThreeHoler    413
Leave and pass is a commander's program. They can set distances and restrictions as they see fit. I remember at Keesler it was east or west to the state line and north as far as Hattiesburg. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Negative...there has to be legitimate mission reasons for this to be the case.  Sometimes this applies, more often times this doesn't (don't forget, not all squadrons involve planes/ops type people). 

By what reg? The reg actual statement is "The local area is the place where the member lives and from which he or she commutes to the duty station."

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The "local area" discussion applies only to normal and special passes. That quote is where you can start and end leave from.

If you exceed the limits a commander sets on a pass, you must be one leave or you are AWOL.

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ihtfp06    291
Leave and pass is a commander's program. They can set distances and restrictions as they see fit. I remember at Keesler it was east or west to the state line and north as far as Hattiesburg. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Negative...there has to be legitimate mission reasons for this to be the case.  Sometimes this applies, more often times this doesn't (don't forget, not all squadrons involve planes/ops type people). 

By what reg? The reg actual statement is "The local area is the place where the member lives and from which he or she commutes to the duty station." Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

The "local area" discussion applies only to normal and special passes. That quote is where you can start and end leave from.

If you exceed the limits a commander sets on a pass, you must be one leave or you are AWOL.

As the AFI reads now you are automatically on a "normal pass" on weekends/holidays/non-duty days (not to exceed 3 days at a time or 4 for a four-day holiday weekend, IIRC).

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ThreeHoler    413

Correct. And your commander can set boundaries for a normal pass (e.g. weekends when you work M-F) per verification with JAG; however, those boundaries may not be mileage based.

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Herk Driver    218
Correct. And your commander can set boundaries for a normal pass (e.g. weekends when you work M-F) per verification with JAG; however, those boundaries may not be mileage based.

Correct but can be time based and many times they are.

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Flaco    94

OK, I think I'm getting it.

Commander says local area is 4 hours drive time.

Member 1 takes family on short weekend trip 3 hours from home. Leaves on a Friday evening after work, returns on Sunday evening. No leave required.

Member 2 leaves on a Saturday for a destination 3 hours from home. Returns on Tuesday evening. Leave required Saturday - Tuesday.

Member 3 leaves on Saturday morning and drives 7 hours to destination. Returns Sunday evening. Leave required Saturday-Sunday because outside local area.

Do I have this right?

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Flaco    94
4 minutes ago, the g-man said:

Yeah that's right, except member 3 would only be charged 1 day of leave since they returned on a non-duty day.

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Right, forgot about that. Ok, thanks all. I think I've got what I need.

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