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#1 LJ Driver

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Posted 07 March 2007 - 10:43 PM

About 4 years ago at Ramstein I was in the O club eating lunch. The waiter asked me and my bud if we wanted a beer. Naturally I said I wanted one but since it was the middle of the duty day and I was in a public-ish restaurant, I'd pass. As only a dedicated German would, he actually tracked down some reg that stated I was allowed to consume 2-8 ounce beers per day during duty hours. I was obviously very pleased and shocked, and then enjoyed a couple of Bitburgers. The best part was when a penis major rolled up on us and asked if we thought it was profesional to be drinking during the work day. We asked the waiter to cite the reg, which he happily did, and the major stormed away.

Fast-forward 4 years to 2007. I have asked around to lots of different people in services and other places and no one can point to where it is written that we are "allowed" 2-8 ounce beers. Anyone know where this can be found? In the squadron it doesn't matter, but when everyone goes to lunch and some jackass tries to call me out I would love to be able to tell him to fvck off AND explain why...
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Posted 07 March 2007 - 11:00 PM

Ahh Germany... :beer:

I've never heard of that reg. On some Navy bases I have been at they won't even serve you if you are in uniform during lunch at the club or golf course. :rainbow:
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Posted 07 March 2007 - 11:03 PM

In today's AF I wouldn't risk having a beer at lunch...or any other time where I have to drive on base. Sky cops are just itching to bust someone for drinking and driving. Bastards!!
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Posted 07 March 2007 - 11:12 PM

The army folk can't buy alcohol in uniform during duty hours anywhere. Class six, shoppette, anywhere! I love the evil stares I get when I stroll in and buy a 6-er at 8 in the morning whilst rocking the jet jammies. Good times

Edited by Xtndr50boom, 07 March 2007 - 11:13 PM.

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Posted 07 March 2007 - 11:13 PM

AFI 34-219 (Alcoholic Beverage Program)

1.5.1.6. Emphasize that Air Force members should not drink alcoholic beverages before or during
their working hours but may drink prudently as part of a meal.

Don't know the amount you are allowed to imbibe but you can drink as part of a meal.
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Posted 07 March 2007 - 11:55 PM

I wonder if I can use that reg as a part of my Det's Dining Out???? I am working on memorizing it now.
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Posted 08 March 2007 - 07:04 AM

AFI 34-219 (Alcoholic Beverage Program)

1.5.1.6. Emphasize that Air Force members should not drink alcoholic beverages before or during
their working hours but may drink prudently as part of a meal.

Don't know the amount you are allowed to imbibe but you can drink as part of a meal.


That is awesome that you found that. It's even better that it doesn't say an amount, only "prudently". 2-8 ounces isn't very much, but I think I could safely get away with at least 2 beers as "prudently".

It's kind of funny that this paragraph 1.5 is the "Alcohol Deglamorization Program." It's always nice to take something that was intended for :rainbow: -ness and throw it in their faces.

I like this one:

1.9. Breath Analyzers. Don't use coin-operated or any other type of breath analyzers in Services activities.

Edited by LockheedFix, 08 March 2007 - 07:05 AM.

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Posted 08 March 2007 - 08:33 PM

Ok seriously... is there an actual reg that prohibits the consumption of alcohol in public places when in uniform? I've always been told it was taboo since the days of :rainbow: ROTC. But if there's no actual reg, then to hell with those who think it's unprofessional! :flipoff:
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Posted 08 March 2007 - 11:02 PM

I like to have a few beers with lunch between sorties.

Sometimes a shot of weed before I step for my last flight...but that's only when I'm triple-turning.
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Posted 09 March 2007 - 10:52 AM

That reg was entertaining to read. It is amazing to see how anal the Air Force can try to be in controlling something as simple and fun as drinking beer. I especially like the section about the "deglamorization" of alcohol, which details how they can't give out beer coupons, discount drinks more than 50%, host drinking contests, or - my favorite - how they can't use "last call" or other countdown events designed to promote last-minute sales.

And then of course, every base, NAF, wing, and MAJCOM has a supplement to this all-important reg. Freakin hilarious.
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Posted 10 March 2007 - 09:56 AM

That reg was entertaining to read. It is amazing to see how anal the Air Force can try to be in controlling something as simple and fun as drinking beer. I especially like the section about the "deglamorization" of alcohol, which details how they can't give out beer coupons, discount drinks more than 50%, host drinking contests, or - my favorite - how they can't use "last call" or other countdown events designed to promote last-minute sales.

And then of course, every base, NAF, wing, and MAJCOM has a supplement to this all-important reg. Freakin hilarious.


You think the USAF regs are anal, go look at the Army FMs or any COCOM that is Army-centric (e.g. EUCOM). When I was in Slovakia on the MLT, we actually had to get a waiver from EUCOM to drink during the duty day... :rock:

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Posted 13 March 2007 - 07:54 PM

Here is another fun regulation on booze, IAW 11-2C130V3 (section 5.14)...MAJCOM/DO/A3 approval, alcoholic beverages may be served in flight...YEAH!
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Posted 13 March 2007 - 09:01 PM

I always wondered about that... Anyone ever gotten approval and if so, what was the occasion?


NATO airlift missions...especially ones with senior GOs aboard...

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Posted 13 March 2007 - 09:35 PM

In our squadron bar...er "heritage room," the beer light comes on at precisely 1511 every Friday, which technically is within duty hours.

Oh, and I have been known to have a beer with lunch whilst in uniform, having had the aforementioned regulation pointed out to me when I was a young LT. :)
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Posted 19 March 2008 - 06:13 PM

Thread Resuscitation!!!

After all my training in use of the search function I was only met half way on my search. I pulled AFI 34-219 ALCOHLIC BEVARAGE PROGRAM dated 17 OCT 07 and the aforementioned 1.5.1.6 is not in there. Furthermore I was not able to find any guidance on drinking alcohol in uniform. More specifically I want to know about drinking beer, offbase, during duty hours with lunch/dinner. Authorized/illegal and where is the AFI? Thanks for the help.

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Posted 19 March 2008 - 06:55 PM

If it (or local regs) don't say you can't, then you can. I also looked through AFI 34-219 and didn't see it in there either, therefore it can't be prohibited as far as I can tell; but don't just take my word for it. Go to http://www.e-publishing.af.mil and do a key word search on 'alcohol.' Be sure to check all applicable publications. Then, if you are still worried about it, call you base Demand Reduction Office (or whatever it is called) and ask. They won't lie to you, and it wouldn't be a bad idea to jot down the name and number of the person you spoke to, as well as the date and time called. CYA...

All that said, it would be a bad idea to drive afterward. Y'know they give medals to the sky cops for busting officers coming through the gates drunk, don't you? Well, that may not be true; but some days you'd think it was!

Damn, folks shouldn't be damn paranoid about having a beer or two!

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Posted 19 March 2008 - 07:22 PM

YESSS! Here Here!!! Crave the cave!!

Anyway, I did check epubs and it was full of a bunch of legal sups and SW (guess that one) bull shiz. anyway, I reckon I'ma call the DRO tomorrow. Thanks M2!!
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Posted 19 March 2008 - 07:25 PM

If it (or local regs) don't say you can't, then you can.

I would disagree here. My 0.02 - if the beer light in the bar ain't on, hold off. I had a bud who, not on the schedule to fly, had a beer at the O'Club during lunch a few years back. Apparently a shoe clerk saw a guy in a flight suit drinking during duty hours and called straight to the DO. Needless to say, said bag-wearer got a full-up ass chewing.

As lame as it sounds, I say don't pick up a beer unless you're in the squadron bar or in the O'Club. With all the BS that the media and shoe clerks seem to pick up on these days, they don't need extra fodder from somebody in uniform throwing back a harmless drink in uniform. They don't understand us...their views on are different. They see somebody in a flight suit drinking and it can be misperceived as something completely different.
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Posted 19 March 2008 - 07:38 PM

A very good voice of reason as usual, however, anyone got a reg #?
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Posted 19 March 2008 - 09:49 PM

Well, I guess I was expecting that if someone knew they weren't suppose to be drinking, they wouldn't be drinking. Otherwise, they really don't have a leg to stand on. I work with an over-zealous Army LTC who is a bud but who also sometimes forgets that the other services have their own regs and don't follow the Army's. He tried to jack up a USAF guy having a beer off base at lunch and was promptly (but respectfully...and that's important) told that is was well within the regs.

I certainly wouldn't argue against Toro's well-stated words of caution, and it doesn't apply to me anymore because I grew up and retired and now can tell anyone to piss off; but my point is that unless there is a reg that says you can't, technically you can. Now, that doesn't mean some over-zealous person doesn't try to bust your balls about it...and when that over-zealous person is in your chain-of-command, it can get tricky. It all depends on how much having a beer at lunch means to you.

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Of all the weapons in the vast Soviet arsenal, nothing was more profitable than Avtomat Kalashnikova model of 1947. More commonly known as the AK-47, or Kalashnikov. It's the world's most popular assault rifle. A weapon all fighters love. An elegantly simple 9 pound amalgamation of forged steel and plywood. It doesn't break, jam, or overheat. It'll shoot whether it's covered in mud or filled with sand. It's so easy, even a child can use it; and they do. The Soviets put the gun on a coin. Mozambique put it on their flag. Since the end of the Cold War, the Kalashnikov has become the Russian people's greatest export. After that comes vodka, caviar, and suicidal novelists. One thing is for sure, no one was lining up to buy their cars.
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