Hate to say it right now at McChord we are so busy that few first assignment guys are even able to be "protected". We just finished our busiest year in 7 years with one less squadron and the other squadrons that are 25-30% smaller than they've ever been. If you are an airland guy you are getting crushed with missions, we have brand new copilots that are getting 600-700 hours in thier first six months. Aidrop guys aren't flying missions as much but are doing homestation JA/ATTs, and spending 1-2 weeks a month at Pope, Basic Airborne or exercises. Also Airdrop guys are looking at more ground deployments (MPC or CAOC) since they all require airdrop quals.

11 hours ago, Fuzz said:

If you are an airland guy you are getting crushed with missions, we have brand new copilots that are getting 600-700 hours in thier first six months. 

700 hours in 6 months?  So, 2 x vol3 waivers in a row?  Who is signing those waivers?  

20 hours ago, TnkrToad said:

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TT

All valid and checks with my experience in AMC, 2000 to 2005, time frame.

Just to light a candle could you fix this by tying promotion eligibility, flight pay, PCS eligibility, etc... by objective measure of flying hours (Other time excluded) and TDY days relative to MDS in AMC? 

If you don't at least have the average number of flight hours, TDYs, etc... no PHOENIX, in-residence, etc... a bright and shiny could be selected but in order to actually go, he/she would have to get their Died time and hours, this could give a respite for the commoners when needed.  Getting an extra pause or two before going back on the road would have been a Godsend.

Flight Pay, changing the eligibility or level of pay (full or partial) based on flight hours is probably too big a fish to fry but if the AMC/CC wanted to (that's the rub) - he could change the AMC culture to favor operational experience as the key to leadership opportunities.  

The bright and shiny's can still have their club but to go to the next level of the Chosen, you have to have one tour where you at least met the average in operations... not holding breath.

Edited January 8, 20178 yr by Clark Griswold

Hate to say it right now at McChord we are so busy that few first assignment guys are even able to be "protected". We just finished our busiest year in 7 years with one less squadron and the other squadrons that are 25-30% smaller than they've ever been. If you are an airland guy you are getting crushed with missions, we have brand new copilots that are getting 600-700 hours in thier first six months. Aidrop guys aren't flying missions as much but are doing homestation JA/ATTs, and spending 1-2 weeks a month at Pope, Basic Airborne or exercises. Also Airdrop guys are looking at more ground deployments (MPC or CAOC) since they all require airdrop quals.

Welcome to AMC. I had 800 hours in 9.5 months my first year at TCM with 280 days TDY, most of it across the pond. Turned around the next year for CPAD, deployed for 120 and airdropped my face off.

You're in a good place, trust me. Make the most of it and you will have doors open for you when you need them to.


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11 hours ago, tac airlifter said:

700 hours in 6 months?  So, 2 x vol3 waivers in a row?  Who is signing those waivers?  

Should have say 600-700 hours in approximately their first six months. Yes we had people time out on their 30 or 90 day time or just be skirting the edge of timing out continuously for months.

 

16 minutes ago, Fuzz said:

Should have say 600-700 hours in approximately their first six months. Yes we had people time out on their 30 or 90 day time or just be skirting the edge of timing out continuously for months.

 

Copy.  I've seen the 30 day waiver regularly.  But only once a 90 day waiver; back to back 90 day waivers would be an incredible risk acceptance by the A3.  So bottom line, lots of flying up there but still within the vol 3 limits?  I know it's a grind, but you'll miss it eventually!

I was gone for most if the year (deployed + schoolhouse) so all I know is from what in see from the LTs in my squadron after the fact. I don't know if any waivers were approved, but since alot of our flying included almost continuous POTUS/VPOTUS 1A1 stuff it wouldnt surprise me if the A3 did approve some. 

Edited January 9, 20178 yr by Fuzz

8 hours ago, yankeetango said:

Welcome to AMC. I had 800 hours in 9.5 months my first year at TCM with 280 days TDY, most of it across the pond. Turned around the next year for CPAD, deployed for 120 and airdropped my face off.

You're in a good place, trust me. Make the most of it and you will have doors open for you when you need them to.


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Yep no complaints from me, McChord is a great base with stellar leadership in literally every position from WG/CC to ever squadron commander in the OG. Which is really driving a focus on and valuing of training and mission hacking over queep

Edited January 9, 20178 yr by Fuzz

16 hours ago, Fuzz said:

McChord is a great base with stellar leadership

This chick agrees! 

DLF 17-04

T-1s:

2 x C-17

2 x C-130J

2 x KC-135

AC-130W

2 x E-8

T-6 FAIP

 

T-38s:

F-15E

3 x F-16

T-6 FAIP

Any other drops from the past two weeks?

35 minutes ago, Ulysses said:

Any other drops from the past two weeks?

XL, CB & VN all drop this Friday.

T-38s = F-16s
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Just a guess.


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T-38s = F-16s
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Just a guess.


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Could be worse!


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Could be worse!


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You don't have to tell me brother. I graduated when 38s were only getting preds or U-28s.

Now a days you can Class A a jet, meet 2 TRBs and get a Viper! I seen it!


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CBM 17-05:

38s:

3 x F16 to Holloman

1 x F15E Seymour

1 x A10 DM

1 x T38 Faip

 

T1s:

U28 Hurlburt 

T6 FAIP

KC10 Mcguire 

EC130H DM

C17 Charleston 

C130J Little Rock

KC135 Macdill 

(Some guard 17s, 135s)

Edited January 28, 20178 yr by Rooster

DLF 17-05:

38s:

2 x F-16

F-15E

A-10

B-52

T-6 FAIP

 

T-1s:

KC-135 Kadena

KC-135 (can't remember base)

CV-22

U-28

EC-130

C-5

MC-130

T-1 FAIP

 

Plus a few guard C-130s, and a couple I might have missed,

12 hours ago, Inertia17 said:

DLF 17-05:

38s:

2 x F-16

F-15E

A-10

B-52

T-6 FAIP

Was the B-52 a special case?  Asking because earlier someone mentioned T-38s going solely to fighters unless specifically rec'd not to.  Good drop!

Also 2 U-28s, a CV-22, and MC-130 from tones... is AFSOC needing pilots for these?  I'm not sure whether or not it's unusual to have 4 spec ops drops.  Thanks!

25 minutes ago, Thor said:

Was the B-52 a special case?  Asking because earlier someone mentioned T-38s going solely to fighters unless specifically rec'd not to.  Good drop!

Also 2 U-28s, a CV-22, and MC-130 from tones... is AFSOC needing pilots for these?  I'm not sure whether or not it's unusual to have 4 spec ops drops.  Thanks!

No idea man. I was just there. All that AFPC voodoo is well above my level. One would imagine they need pilots if they are dropping...

EN 17-03

Active
F-22 x 2 
F-35 x 1 
F-15C x 1
F-16 x 6
A-10 x 2 
E-3 x 1
F-15E x 3
KC-10 x 1 
C-17 x 1
C-130 x 1
T-6A x 1 

Guard 
F-15C x 1

German
Eurofighter x 3
Tornado x 2

1 hour ago, Sparkle said:

EN 17-03

Active
F-22 x 2 
F-35 x 1 
F-15C x 1
F-16 x 6
A-10 x 2 
E-3 x 1
F-15E x 3
KC-10 x 1 
C-17 x 1
C-130 x 1
T-6A x 1 

Guard 
F-15C x 1

German
Eurofighter x 3
Tornado x 2

Holy mother of fighters! Merry F%$ing Christmas. 

Edited January 28, 20178 yr by Dynamite

Was the B-52 a special case?  Asking because earlier someone mentioned T-38s going solely to fighters unless specifically rec'd not to.  Good drop!

Also 2 U-28s, a CV-22, and MC-130 from tones... is AFSOC needing pilots for these?  I'm not sure whether or not it's unusual to have 4 spec ops drops.  Thanks!

The MC was a JS coord. The 52 guy was non-rec'd to fighters. Not sure on the other three.


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1 hour ago, Dynamite said:

Holy mother of fighters! Merry F%$ing Christmas. 

Well, it is ENJJPT... 

FWIW I play a small role in the U-28 pipeline and they have new pilots and CSOs going through initial qual training every single month and have for years (i.e. this is steady-state ops).

What the community actually requires to sustain or improve manning levels, I'm not really read-in to that anymore, but every new ass in the seat means potentially one senior captain or major on the other end gets released to school/staff/cross-training/broadening.

BL: I see new copilots going through initial qual every month, so they should be dropping one or two from the UPT bases on a regular basis...if not every drop than every other drop I would imagine.

Anyone know anything about Vance's drop?