Track Selects and Assignment Nights

[Thor]

Any updates on selects/assignments?

[FishBowl]

10 minutes ago, Thor said:

Any updates on selects/assignments?

I believe there's a drop this Friday. I need to get my drinkin' flightsuit ready. 

[FishBowl]

B2 at DLF

[FishBowl]

And f-35

[Don Frank]

XL 17-03

HC-130J

2 x KC-135

C-21

2 x KC-10

RC-135

2 x C-130J

C-130H

E-3

T-1 FAIP

F-16

F-35

A-10

T-38 FAIP

F-15E

B-2

[Dudemanbro]

Columbus 17-03

38s:

3 x F16

2 x A10

F15E

F35

 

T1:

2 x KC135s to Kansas
2 x U28s to Hurlburt 
Ac130 to Hurlburt 
T6 faip
Cv 22 to Hurlburt
2 x c17 
Some guard 130s, didn't catch any AD
T1 FAIP

[Sparkle]

EN 17-02
Active 
F-35A x 2 
F-15E x 3
F-16C x 2 
F-15C x 1
A-10C x 1
B-1B x 1
T-38C FAIP x 1 
T-6A FAIP x 1
Buff x 2 
B-2 x 1

Guard/Reserve
F-15C x 2 Mass, Louisiana 
F-16C x 3

Foreign 
Canadian CF-18 x 2
Danish F-16 x 1
 

[Duck]

So glad we found a solution to the fighter pilot shortage.


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[Thor]

On 12/3/2016 at 8:59 AM, Rooster said:

Columbus 17-03

38s:

3 x F16

2 x A10

F15E

F35

 

T1:

2 x KC135s to Kansas
2 x U28s to Hurlburt 
Ac130 to Hurlburt 
T6 faip
Cv 22 to Hurlburt
2 x c17 
Some guard 130s, didn't catch any AD
T1 FAIP

I read in another thread (from like 6-8 years ago) that U-28s were dropping at a relatively equal rate from 38s and 1s... is this still true today? Or is the best route to U-28s the T-1? Thanks!

[di1630]

I read in another thread (from like 6-8 years ago) that U-28s were dropping at a relatively equal rate from 38s and 1s... is this still true today? Or is the best route to U-28s the T-1? Thanks!

6-9 years ago was a different AF....if you go thru 38s today, I'd expect a fighter. That being said, if you want a u28 talk to your flt cc in t-6s early so they can guide you.


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[Danger41]

^Great advice.  Most of the new guys we get in U-28's are from T-1's nowadays.  The T-38 guys we get are usually the top grads that choose it (purely antecdotal from 1 of 3 ops squadrons). That doesn't mean you have no chance if you go T-38's and aren't the top grad, but your odds are much higher of ending up in a Viper/Eagle.

[Ahab GZ]

4 AD helps from DLF last track. 

[Duck]

^Great advice.  Most of the new guys we get in U-28's are from T-1's nowadays.  The T-38 guys we get are usually the top grads that choose it (purely antecdotal from 1 of 3 ops squadrons). That doesn't mean you have no chance if you go T-38's and aren't the top grad, but your odds are much higher of ending up in a Viper/Eagle.

Oh how the times have changed... lol


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[Thor]

Any update from the drops tonight?

[Dudemanbro]

13 hours ago, Thor said:

Any update from the drops tonight?

CBM 17-04:

38s:

2 x F16 to Hollowman

1 x F16 to Tucson

(2 Iraqi F16s, 1 Saudi F15c)

1 x A10 DM

1 x T6 Faip

1 x F22 Tyndall

 

T1s:

2 x C130J to Dyess

T1 FAIP

E3 Tinker

2 x E8 Warner Robbins (1AD, 1ANG

C17 West Virginia ANG

C146 Duke

CV22 Cannon

C130J Yokota

C5 Travis 

Edited January 7, 2017 by Rooster

[Snooter]

Hey where is my replacement in the c-17 coming from?  2x17's across three bases?  Hell maybe I should go to altus; hellllooooo CT sorties...

[Boomer6]

END 17-04

F-16

F-15E

F-15C

A-10

T-38 FAIP

B-2

B-52

 

[TnkrToad]

51 minutes ago, Snooter said:

Hey where is my replacement in the c-17 coming from?  2x17's across three bases?  Hell maybe I should go to altus; hellllooooo CT sorties...

Looks like heavies are getting shorted across the board--C-5s, KC-135s, KC-10s getting shorted, too. Folks getting C-130s here and there, but the numbers hardly seem adequate--especially considering the need to fill both AD and ARC units. The SUPT drops would make one think the AF is awash in heavy drivers/don't need any more. I don't think our rated managers are seeing what I'm seeing . . .

[Ulysses]

13 minutes ago, TnkrToad said:

Looks like heavies are getting shorted across the board--C-5s, KC-135s, KC-10s getting shorted, too. Folks getting C-130s here and there, but the numbers hardly seem adequate--especially considering the need to fill both AD and ARC units. The SUPT drops would make one think the AF is awash in heavy drivers/don't need any more. I don't think our rated managers are seeing what I'm seeing . . .

There are posts over in the ACP thread (some from daynightindicator, specifically) that make it sound like MAF slots are definitely going to be deprioritized, and a lot of T-1 studs will be going to bombers. Does this mean we're gonna see a 700-800 man shortage in heavies in a few years vs. the 11F shortage we're seeing now? Apparently the info is directly from AFPC.

[skylin3]

Vance 17-04

T-1 Side:

AC-130U Hurlburt

CV-22 Hurlburt (Me)

KC-135 March ARB

KC-135 McConnell

KC-135 Fairchild

C-17 McChord

C-5M Travis AFB

E-8 Robins AFB

T-1 FAIP Vance

C-130J Little Rock

[mcbush]

I'd argue we're already not far off from there. The number from Dewey right now is that AMC is short by 315, and like somebody pointed out in the ACP thread, that's after a reduction to the crew ratio in some airframes to try to make the slides greener. I think everybody knows how this one's gonna play out...

[Ulysses]

Time to contract FedEx to carry our shit around! I wonder if UPS could do the aerial refueling.

[TnkrToad]

Time to contract FedEx to carry our shit around! I wonder if UPS could do the aerial refueling.

Omega Air already does contract AR; I'm sure they'd be happy to take on more requirements ...


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[LookieRookie]

51 minutes ago, Ulysses said:

Time to contract FedEx to carry our shit around! I wonder if UPS could do the aerial refueling.

Just allow the FedEx guys to log a AFTP on those contracted sorties too. Raise QoL for everyone.

[TnkrToad]

1 hour ago, mcbush said:

I'd argue we're already not far off from there. The number from Dewey right now is that AMC is short by 315, and like somebody pointed out in the ACP thread, that's after a reduction to the crew ratio in some airframes to try to make the slides greener. I think everybody knows how this one's gonna play out...

I can tell you (at least roughly) how it's going to play out for the MAF year group(s)--like the one that's currently graduating--which get shorted for bodies, in favor of the CAF:

- They'll all start their flying careers being really busy, flying a bunch and getting sq jobs folks in prior year groups would never have gotten so early

- Way too early in their careers, the bright and shiny types will be identified, and will quickly join the protected class which rarely flies or deploys/is set up for the string of jobs/assignments that will make them really promotable. The next tier down--the ones not on the leadership track, but who are competent/dependable--will get crushed with all the important, yet non-sexy (read hardship) deployments & home station jobs. The middle of the packers--good flyers, but not great leaders/staff types--will fly their arses off and also get crushed with deployments. Those (at least according to AF perceptions) who are at the bottom of the pack will likely enjoy a level of job security that in prior years they never would have had. That is, until such time that they get RIFd--because, of course, the AF needs to retain its critically manned 11Fs (even though in this year group the 11Fs will be overmanned relative to 11Ms/others). 

- About 10 years from now, the bright and shinies (the ones who bother to stay on AD) will be in IDE & will already be largely disconnected from ground truths in the mobility community. The second-tier & middle of the road guys--if the civil sector is hiring--will get out in droves. The bottom of the pack folks will likely stay in. 

- 20 years from now, the bright and shinies will still be bright and shiny, and more importantly will have had careers that in no way reflect the experiences of the masses. The second-tier and middle of the road folks will all be retired, or--at best--will still be on AD, but enjoying cush jobs (the only kinds of jobs that could entice them to stay in). The bottom dwellers who survived being passed over/RIFs/etc. will still be on AD, too. They'll be the middle managers. 

The O-6 and above MAF leaders will have some really awesome ideas, after having spent so much time in schools/as execs/on staffs. Problem is, their middle managers--the passed-over O-4 and O-5 types--will almost exclusively be the middle of the roaders and bottom dwellers of yesteryear. Those executing the missions will almost exclusively be folks with less than 10 years rated service--i.e., folks who haven't yet had the opportunity to punch. 

In sum, we'll have a whole bunch of good idea generators, but lack adequate numbers of competent people to put those ideas (whether good--or more likely good-sounding but questionable) into action. 

Funny. This situation I describe twenty years from now kinda sounds like where the MAF is today: out of touch O-6 and above types, a razor-thin slice of competent O4s and O-5s trying to keep the ship afloat, and a bunch of junior dudes who are 1) eyeing life outside of AD, and 2) unimpressed by the AF clownshow. Problem is, ten years ago, we had the "good fortune" of 9/11, the Great Recession, and FAA rule changes to encourage folks to remain on AD. Consequently, we were able to retain at least a degree of talent. Barring another catastrophe, I don't see the Air Force future as being quite so rosy for the current crop of recent MAF SUPT graduates. The MAF will be even more broken, but at least there'll be enough CAF bubbas to fill the AF's senior leadership roles, going forward. So we'll have that going for us.

TT