Or it's possible that you're the only Air Force guy working for the two star Marine. DP for you. And oh yeah....write your own PRF son!

8 hours ago, ArcticGator said:

Is this because these GOs have smaller staffs with less DP's to give and the guy with the P at staff is higher caliber than the #13/24 guy at a wing?

How many Maj's in the zone are at a wing?  I don't think it's as many as you think...

But to answer your question, it's because of what an IPZ O-4 does at a staff job vs what an IPZ O-4 does at a Wing.  Think about it--guys at the staff are working with teams on major policy decisions, major programs (i.e. A5R for MAJCOM requirements/acquisitions), etc.  These same guys are also showing that they can do things outside a typical ops unit...which is required of many O-5's. On the other hand, Majors IPZ at a Wing are typically either an ADO, in OGV, Wing plans, Safety, or (if they're one of the sharpest) the one of the two Majors working as a Wing Exec.  Which resume sounds more impressive as an officer?  Where would you rather get a 'P'--working in a squadron or for an OG or WG/CC or working for a GO working on large programs that touch much more than just a Wing?

Now of course the board looks at your entire record, so if you have a strong record and are working at a Wing, then you could very well be just fine...in fact, you'll probably get one of the few DP's the Wing CC can give.  But most of those jobs I listed above at the Wing can be (and sometimes are) filled by a senior Captain...doing the work of a senior Captain doesn't help an O-4 get promoted.

This is just my $.02, and I'm sure you can find someone who disagrees/gives a different opinion.

5 hours ago, Homestar said:

Or it's possible that you're the only Air Force guy working for the two star Marine. DP for you. And oh yeah....write your own PRF son!

in your example it would be kind of hard to get a DP from a guy who doesn't have a DP to give...would have to get a DP from an aggregate source.  But I get the joke...

Is a Senior Rater allowed to say "definitely promote" in the push line on promote PRFs?  How often do they do that?

Is a Senior Rater allowed to say "definitely promote" in the push line on promote PRFs?  How often do they do that?

Yes. But they are supposed to use it judiciously.

Nice. The non-DP DP. I wonder if civilian promotion records work like that. 

9 hours ago, HeloDude said:

in your example it would be kind of hard to get a DP from a guy who doesn't have a DP to give...would have to get a DP from an aggregate source.  But I get the joke...

How do guys working on joint staffs under non AF leadership get DPs? Does the MLR do that automatically or does the SR have to reach out to the MLR?

3 hours ago, ThreeHoler said:

Yes. But they are supposed to use it judiciously.

Happens ALL the time

More than judiciously

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in your example it would be kind of hard to get a DP from a guy who doesn't have a DP to give...would have to get a DP from an aggregate source.  But I get the joke...

How do guys working on joint staffs under non AF leadership get DPs? Does the MLR do that automatically or does the SR have to reach out to the MLR?

They are called aggregate DPs. If a SR doesn't have enough IPZ to earn a DP outright (i.e. 1 IPZ for a 58% DP allocation) then his IPZ is combined with all the other IPZ in similar circumstances into an aggregate pool. These records are competed at the MLR for the total number of aggregate DPs.

4 hours ago, ThreeHoler said:

They are called aggregate DPs. If a SR doesn't have enough IPZ to earn a DP outright (i.e. 1 IPZ for a 58% DP allocation) then his IPZ is combined with all the other IPZ in similar circumstances into an aggregate pool. These records are competed at the MLR for the total number of aggregate DPs.

Is it an accurate impression that MLR drives the SR's adherence to the rules/customs of PRF writing?  My understanding is that SR credibility is a large factor in how many additional DPs they win for their people at MLR.  Does it take on the feeling of an awards fight club or is it a straight review/scoring of records?  Most of us will never see an MLR, and it doesn't get the same attention as the actual board, but it seems to play a big part in outcomes.

Are SR's judicious with "super P" statements such as "my next dp?" Are they held accountable by the MLR on stuff like that?  How often do P PRFs have the wording "definitely promote" from the SR in line 9?

19 hours ago, Hot Sauce Hoy said:

Are SR's judicious with "super P" statements such as "my next dp?" Are they held accountable by the MLR on stuff like that?  How often do P PRFs have the wording "definitely promote" from the SR in line 9?

...tell ya in June how it goes. Looks to be a few of us out there.

Saw on MyPers today that promotion increments are out for 06 Maj selects. 229 for April is what AF proposed, but is waiting on Senate approval.  That'll be awesome if that sticks. That should exhaust the list by Jan of 17. 

They are called aggregate DPs. If a SR doesn't have enough IPZ to earn a DP outright (i.e. 1 IPZ for a 58% DP allocation) then his IPZ is combined with all the other IPZ in similar circumstances into an aggregate pool. These records are competed at the MLR for the total number of aggregate DPs.

Is it an accurate impression that MLR drives the SR's adherence to the rules/customs of PRF writing?  My understanding is that SR credibility is a large factor in how many additional DPs they win for their people at MLR.  Does it take on the feeling of an awards fight club or is it a straight review/scoring of records?  Most of us will never see an MLR, and it doesn't get the same attention as the actual board, but it seems to play a big part in outcomes.

The MLR will do a quality review of all records (including those slated to receive a 'P' outright) prior to scoring. Only records that were pushed to compete for a DP by their senior eater will be scored. If the board president sees any issues with PRF quality, there is time to address them prior to the PRFs being due to AFPC. The three boards I've observed were all focused on selecting the best officers for the total force and strength of record was very important. "Glove" saves with a superstar strat 1 time leading up to the board isn't enough. The board sees right through that stuff and it gets called out.

Saw on MyPers today that promotion increments are out for 06 Maj selects. 229 for April is what AF proposed, but is waiting on Senate approval.  That'll be awesome if that sticks. That should exhaust the list by Jan of 17. 

Would that mean the next board possibly getting pushed up earlier?

Not saying it would help the retention problem, but didn't we push back the Majors board as a result of high retention just 4 years ago?

18 hours ago, Duck said:

Would that mean the next board possibly getting pushed up earlier?

They next round of Maj PRF's are already at the group level. I think the central board date is about 3 months earlier than last years. If all if the 06 promo's go at the rate of 229/mnth, they could be done by next January. 

Interesting data point I heard. Apparently all 6 school selects at Lakenheath have declined. Rumor has it a council of the elders was called to figure out how this happened... They must not read BO.net

Last year was Sept, this year July. If they are done by January 17, I'm wondering if the 17 boards are going to be even earlier than July...

1 hour ago, Lord Ratner said:

Interesting data point I heard. Apparently all 6 school selects at Lakenheath have declined. Rumor has it a council of the elders was called to figure out how this happened... They must not read BO.net

Really interesting. I heard someone talking about school the other day. He said something to the effect of, "I really hope I get this white house fellowship so when I turn it down it's an even bigger middle finger to the USAF." 

Go Guard! We are actively seeking pilots who don't want to go to school or have to buy into active duty BS.

Anyone have a link to a good site with some old sanitized/anonymous PRFs?  I'm trying to teach some of my guys how the whole thing works and it's much easier to learn from examples. 

9 hours ago, ArcticGator said:

Anyone have a link to a good site with some old sanitized/anonymous PRFs?  I'm trying to teach some of my guys how the whole thing works and it's much easier to learn from examples. 

Why not ask your CC?  I'm sure he'd be more than willing to provide you a few and even give you a few pointers.

On 3/9/2016 at 5:29 PM, Guardian said:

Go Guard! We are actively seeking pilots who don't want to go to school or have to buy into active duty BS.

I know there are a lot of sources to actually find out which units are actively seeking folks, but it seems like it is usually a bro-network + timing required to make it work...  Too bad we can't submit an application to a central database and then the Guard/Reserve bubbas can see the list/resumes and give us a shout when something is on the horizon.

Sounds like there might be a question buried in there somewhere Tonka......fire away.