Because of the early retirements and VSP rounds will the Air Force have to promote more or less individuals? Something tells me they will have to promote more people in the pilot community since everyone decided to leave for better opportunities outside of the Air Force.

Because of the early retirements and VSP rounds will the Air Force have to promote more or less individuals? Something tells me they will have to promote more people in the pilot community since everyone decided to leave for better opportunities outside of the Air Force.

I am not to sure about that. It seems the promotion rate to Major has been on a steady decline throughout the Force Reduction measures going back to 2006. There has been talk as well to delaying Major boards even more to slow the promotion rate to cut down on costs (discussed at numerous SOS classes by the brass).

I am not to sure about that. It seems the promotion rate to Major has been on a steady decline throughout the Force Reduction measures going back to 2006. There has been talk as well to delaying Major boards even more to slow the promotion rate to cut down on costs (discussed at numerous SOS classes by the brass).

I suspect this year's O-5 board results will be eye-opening. I'd like to be wrong though.

Hunch regarding that '06 majors board: it could be early in the year to avoid conflicting with a RIF. Just ask your nearest '05 about the BS involved with doing RRFs and PRFs at the same time.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but '05 folks aren't eligible for the RIF this time 'round, right?

(I realize I'm quoting a 2-month old post..just making sure I'm not missing something)

I suspect this year's O-5 board results will be eye-opening. I'd like to be wrong though.

Just saw a guy post on Facebook that he got passed over... So the results will probably be released tomorrow.

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I suspect this year's O-5 board results will be eye-opening. I'd like to be wrong though.

Any word on when they'll be released?

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See above non selects being informed today usually means public release the following day

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Sorry-saw you posted that just before I asked. Thanks!

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''05s were eligible for the RIF until the latest PSDM came out that pushed it back into FY15.

Results will be out publicly tomorrow.

3hole: Nothing all that eye opening...pretty much on par with last year in the total percentage.

I suspect this year's O-5 board results will be eye-opening. I'd like to be wrong though.

Shockingly dismal results in my corner of the AF. Don't remember exactly...something like:

0/11 BPZ (2 DPs--got 1 ea last 2 bds)

3/9 IPZ (3 DPs)--got 2 ea Ps last 2 bds)

0/16 APZ (1 DP)--and 3 were second-time pass overs, and did NOT get continued, they separate or TERA by Dec '14. Previously continued pass overs stayed continued.

-Various rated/non-rated AFSCs on staff, w/2-star SR.

-A couple had negative quality indicators, all IPZ/BPZ had all "squares" filled (IP/EP/CC/AAD/Deployments/Combat/etc)

CC?

Comm/wx/airfield management, etc. rated guys had flight CC.

Gotcha. Haven't seen the stats here at Little Rock yet.

Shockingly dismal results in my corner of the AF. Don't remember exactly...something like:

0/11 BPZ (2 DPs--got 1 ea last 2 bds)

3/9 IPZ (3 DPs)--got 2 ea Ps last 2 bds)

0/16 APZ (1 DP)--and 3 were second-time pass overs, and did NOT get continued, they separate or TERA by Dec '14. Previously continued pass overs stayed continued.

-Various rated/non-rated AFSCs on staff, w/2-star SR.

-A couple had negative quality indicators, all IPZ/BPZ had all "squares" filled (IP/EP/CC/AAD/Deployments/Combat/etc)

Define negative quality indicators? Referral OPR, UIF? If so no brainer right? At least they are offering TERA vs nothing.

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0/16 APZ (1 DP)--and 3 were second-time pass overs, and did NOT get continued, they separate or TERA by Dec '14. Previously continued pass overs stayed continued.

Can you confirm TERA for 2x passed over? I understand if NOT continued a DOS is established pretty much as soon as the board is complete (6-7 months out). And I thought an established DOS made one ineligible for TERA.

Can you confirm TERA for 2x passed over? I understand if NOT continued a DOS is established pretty much as soon as the board is complete (6-7 months out). And I thought an established DOS made one ineligible for TERA.

I got the info 2nd hand...my understanding was this: the board did not select the Majs for continuation, and since TERA is in effect, they got TERA if eligible for TERA. If TERA was NOT in effect, they'd have gotten separated normally.

We had a good group of guys get picked up for O-5 today in my wing. I hope they keep their heads on straight.

I got the info 2nd hand...my understanding was this: the board did not select the Majs for continuation, and since TERA is in effect, they got TERA if eligible for TERA. If TERA was NOT in effect, they'd have gotten separated normally.

I can say for a fact that TERA was offered for twice passed over O4s with 15 years TIS or more and that continuation was not offered. In my case,11S, 99 year group, just over 15 years TIS, spotless record (no adverse action/"negative quality indicators"). If anyone is interested in the particulars of how the process works as it progresses or any other particulars I'm happy to answer them.

Per 1 SOG/CC 8/18 selected in the OG.

Incidentally, if anyone knows of a good FAA medical examiner in the FWB/Navarre area, could you please PM me?

Incidentally, if anyone knows of a good FAA medical examiner in the FWB/Navarre area, could you please PM me?

This info need not be private: If you're near VPS/HRT and are in need of a FAA Class I/II, go see Dr. Reddoch Williams.

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Zrooster99 what's the monetary difference between your O4 20 yr retirement vs 15 yr TERA

My calculations put it at roughly $1k/month for a 15 vs 20 year O-4. It takes about 12 years for the 20 year pay total to exceed the 15 year pay (due to the extra 5 years of payments). Those are just rough guesstimates I used when making my decision to apply for TERA earlier in the year.

I noticed they had added a paragraph on the mypers TERA page saying in effect that all twice passed over O-4s would be offered TERA if eligible. Of course, they didn't define eligibility, whether that was the current TERA criteria, or just meaning you have >15 years. I wondered the reason why they added that late in the game (April) and whether they were going to continue or not. I was approved for TERA in April, but had kind of held out hope that this might be a second chance if originally denied, since I was most likely not gonna make it.

Are there reports of continuation being offered to anyone? Sorry to hear about this being implemented for people that really wanted to stay in...can't help the timing!

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I'm somewhat surprised they didn't offer continuation, specifically since Big Blue had the VSP/RIF/TERA program to get their numbers the way wanted and then would be able to allow the others to continue to 20. Possibly because they didn't want their 'better' people (ie those that did get picked up for O-5) to have a chance to get out early with VSP/TERA?

Also, assuming you got commissioned/went active duty in the early summer, wouldn't just about everyone who was twice passed over have at least 15 years and thus be allowed to retire under TERA?

I'm somewhat surprised they didn't offer continuation, specifically since Big Blue had the VSP/RIF/TERA program to get their numbers the way wanted and then would be able to allow the others to continue to 20. Possibly because they didn't want their 'better' people (ie those that did get picked up for O-5) to have a chance to get out early with VSP/TERA?

Also, assuming you got commissioned/went active duty in the early summer, wouldn't just about everyone who was twice passed over have at least 15 years and thus be allowed to retire under TERA?

You would think so.. When/if I am passed over, I will have 16 years. My IPZ is next year, and based on some folks that had pretty strong records and didn't get promoted...I don't have much hope. And now it seems we are back to the non-continuation strategy similar to 2011. I just hope that TERA is available in 2016 for my 2 above.. either that or bigblue panics after they realize everyone got out and they promote everyone.

Are there any statistics on non-continuation/continuation? Anything negative on the records or just average joes?

My calculations put it at roughly $1k/month for a 15 vs 20 year O-4. It takes about 12 years for the 20 year pay total to exceed the 15 year pay (due to the extra 5 years of payments). Those are just rough guesstimates I used when making my decision to apply for TERA earlier in the year.

I noticed they had added a paragraph on the mypers TERA page saying in effect that all twice passed over O-4s would be offered TERA if eligible. Of course, they didn't define eligibility, whether that was the current TERA criteria, or just meaning you have >15 years. I wondered the reason why they added that late in the game (April) and whether they were going to continue or not. I was approved for TERA in April, but had kind of held out hope that this might be a second chance if originally denied, since I was most likely not gonna make it.

Are there reports of continuation being offered to anyone? Sorry to hear about this being implemented for people that really wanted to stay in...can't help the timing!

Checks... I show about $3700/month for 20 and about $2600 for 15.5 yr...

I haven't heard of anyone getting continuation... As you said, timing is everything...