Gazmo Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 For all the dudes who are thinking about joining the guard or reserves and juggle that with an airline job, just realized that a lot of the guard and Reserve units are busy. It may not be busy compared to an active-duty lifestyle by itself but when you combine that with family and an airline gig things get pretty busy. If you have a spouse with a good job and you can mail drop a lot of trips to manage your schedule that's great but if you're the breadwinner and you're trying to hold down two jobs you're still going to be away from home and you're still going to be busy. There are still going to be deployment requirements and although you won't be deployed as much your deployments in the guard or reserves combined with your days away from home with the airlines do add up. We've picked up a lot of active duty guys and gals over the past couple years and some of them are considering just separating totally and not going to 20 years because they underestimated just how busy they would be and how challenging it is to juggle both especially if you're far away from either one of your jobs. So my suggestion is 2 pick a guard unit near where you're going to be faced with the airlines or pick an airline where you can be base near your guard unit.Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 This is incorrect. If you are passed over APZ, they may offer you continuation. You are not required to accept continuation. All ADSCs are null and void if you choose not to accept.^^This^^This is exactly what I did when I was twice passed over. I simply pay them back the unearned portion (via 1% interest monthly installments) and proceed out the door to the airlines! It is truly better out here. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldtanker Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 5 hours ago, Guardian said: Tell that to my buddy who was passed over major and told yesterday he wasn't selected for continuation. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums How many years did he have in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeHoler Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Two guys I know had about a month shy of 15 years when notified but will have more than 15 years when forced out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TnkrToad Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 A little nugget worth considering:While the 1,500 pilot shortage is a big deal, that's only part of the problem. According to my research, the Air Force pilot inventory has dropped from 15,300 to 13,800 since FY11 (1,500 pilots). In that same time, the total number of manned aircraft aviators (pilots, navs, CSOs, ABMs) has dropped by 2,200 (20,900 to 18,700). The only aviator group that is numerically growing right now is RPA pilots. I guess that's why the AF is focusing its bonus program so heavily on them--the RPA community is the only place where Big Blue is getting a return on its ACP investments.Bottom line--the shrinking of the nav & ABM career fields will create even greater demand for pilots on staffs, at a time when the pilot community is already hemorrhaging bodies. Sent from my iPad using Baseops Network Forums 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazmo Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 More with less. We had to pay for the F-22 and F-35 somehow.Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImNotARobot Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Air Force Requests 4K More Airmen, 46 F-35s, No Bonus Changes - Military.comhttps://apple.news/AJeUhSGVVT82uTcYESpGrVA No bonus changes...why would I expect anything different. With every passing action, AF leadership shows me EXACTLY how it continues to value pilots. And so do the airlines. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VMFA187 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Gazmo said: More with less. We had to pay for the F-22 and F-35 somehow. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk We needed a hell of a lot more of the former. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey Donuts Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 4 hours ago, ThreeHoler said: Two guys I know had about a month shy of 15 years when notified but will have more than 15 years when forced out. Hey Generals, open your f'n eyes. We want job security and loyalty from our employer. You offer neither. Run for the hills boys... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardian Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 15-16 years in when he gets out. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldtanker Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 5 hours ago, ThreeHoler said: Two guys I know had about a month shy of 15 years when notified but will have more than 15 years when forced out. I thought the days of blatantly screwing people out of a retirement were over (due to pilot shortage). Guess not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatedont Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 4 hours ago, TnkrToad said: A little nugget worth considering: While the 1,500 pilot shortage is a big deal, that's only part of the problem. According to my research, the Air Force pilot inventory has dropped from 15,300 to 13,800 since FY11 (1,500 pilots). In that same time, the total number of manned aircraft aviators (pilots, navs, CSOs, ABMs) has dropped by 2,200 (20,900 to 18,700). The only aviator group that is numerically growing right now is RPA pilots. I guess that's why the AF is focusing its bonus program so heavily on them--the RPA community is the only place where Big Blue is getting a return on its ACP investments. Bottom line--the shrinking of the nav & ABM career fields will create even greater demand for pilots on staffs, at a time when the pilot community is already hemorrhaging bodies. Sent from my iPad using Baseops Network Forums Drones don't win wars. Is that the AF plan? I was talking to a deployed ABM and a pilot from his squadron the other day. He was telling me his bros are running for the door just like the pilots. And his pilot who is a major was like I'm out of here for the airlines next year. It has gotten real and the AF is going to get caught with their dick in the pie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilotguy Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 2 hours ago, ImNotARobot said: Air Force Requests 4K More Airmen, 46 F-35s, No Bonus Changes - Military.comhttps://apple.news/AJeUhSGVVT82uTcYESpGrVA No bonus changes...why would I expect anything different. With every passing action, AF leadership shows me EXACTLY how it continues to value pilots. And so do the airlines. can somebody with some insight explain this and why they would do this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 15 minutes ago, pilotguy said: can somebody with some insight explain this and why they would do this? Why would you expect them to do anything else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeHoler Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 1 hour ago, Oldtanker said: I thought the days of blatantly screwing people out of a retirement were over (due to pilot shortage). Guess not. So, it turns out the person who was supposed to put together the correct form letter just grabbed the "so long and thanks for all the fish" version and never actually read the PSDM that said both these guys were twice passed over but offered selective continuation under the current "11X is a critical skill" and "fully qualified." They're still waiting to get their "real" twice passed over letters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprkt69 Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 1 hour ago, ThreeHoler said: So, it turns out the person who was supposed to put together the correct form letter just grabbed the "so long and thanks for all the fish" version and never actually read the PSDM that said both these guys were twice passed over but offered selective continuation under the current "11X is a critical skill" and "fully qualified." They're still waiting to get their "real" twice passed over letters. Those guys should just jump ship as there are other ways to get your 20. Incompetence should not be rewarded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldtanker Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 5 hours ago, ImNotARobot said: Air Force Requests 4K More Airmen, 46 F-35s, No Bonus Changes - Military.comhttps://apple.news/AJeUhSGVVT82uTcYESpGrVA No bonus changes...why would I expect anything different. With every passing action, AF leadership shows me EXACTLY how it continues to value pilots. And so do the airlines. I don't get it. Rand study says $60k needed, AF asks for $48k, NDAA authorizes $35, but AF decides on $25k?Is this the final answer? I'm glad the passed over dudes have the option to stay in. Can't expect personnel staff to follow personnel memos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeHoler Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 I don't get it. Rand study says $60k needed, AF asks for $48k, NDAA authorizes $35, but AF decides on $25k?Is this the final answer? I'm glad the passed over dudes have the option to stay in. Can't expect personnel staff to follow personnel memos.Did you read the article? FY18 budget...stays same as FY17. So $35k max.That said, the people at the top are clueless even if they have a "pilot retention crisis team." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazmo Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 We need a bunch of new airplanes, but won't have anyone to fly or maintain them. Makes sense to me. What a funny past 15 years this has been. It's amazing how something so good has turned into something this bad.Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Did you read the article? FY18 budget...stays same as FY17. So $35k max.That said, the people at the top are clueless even if they have a "pilot retention crisis team."Well, it certainly doesn't help when every phucktard they ask keeps saying "it's not about the money" when they should be saying "it's not just about the money."Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akang2006 Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 1 hour ago, ihtfp06 said: Well, it certainly doesn't help when every phucktard they ask keeps saying "it's not about the money" when they should be saying "it's not just about the money." Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk "2" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardian Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Told you guys. Fingers Goldfien is a Fvck Tard. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neontico Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 15 hours ago, ihtfp06 said: Well, it certainly doesn't help when every phucktard they ask keeps saying "it's not about the money" when they should be saying "it's not just about the money." Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ^This. Everything has a price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Just to give you an idea how much the Air Force values pilots: In 1990, a Captain reaching 6 years rated duty received $650 a month in ACIP. This represented a 25.6% premium over basic pay (BAH/BAS would drive this percentage down, of course). In 2017, a Captain reaching 6 years rated duty receives $650 a month in ACIP. This represents only a 11.5% premium over basic pay (BAH/BAS would drive this percentage down, of course). Couple this with our average (compared to LAF) recognition on promotion boards, and I begin to feel really appreciated and critical to the success of the AF. The Air Force is going to have a really tough time fighting and winning once we run out of qualified individuals wanting to fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatedont Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, ihtfp06 said: Just to give you an idea how much the Air Force values pilots: In 1990, a Captain reaching 6 years rated duty received $650 a month in ACIP. This represented a 25.6% premium over basic pay (BAH/BAS would drive this percentage down, of course). In 2017, a Captain reaching 6 years rated duty receives $650 a month in ACIP. This represents only a 11.5% premium over basic pay (BAH/BAS would drive this percentage down, of course). Couple this with our average (compared to LAF) recognition on promotion boards, and I begin to feel really appreciated and critical to the success of the AF. The Air Force is going to have a really tough time fighting and winning once we run out of qualified individuals wanting to fly. When was the last time we actually won anything: Desert Storm? How did we win during Desert Fox, Operation Allied Force, OEF, OIF, Operation Odyssey Dawn? Don't even get me started on where ISR goes despite tons of sorties. Maxing out your people to fill databases for analysis doesn't make any sense. When a war kicks off, there is no golden damn BB...cough Korea. Adversaries aren't stupid anymore. Look at what tactics were employed against us during OAF. Then we watched how much of their equipment that actually survived the operation. Edited May 25, 2017 by hatedont 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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