Russian Ukraine shenanigans

[ViperStud]

8 hours ago, DSG said:

The psychology of emotional investment in this conflict is as bizarre to me as professional sports enthusiasm, but far more perverse.

What’s not bizarre is that many of us on this very forum have directly contributed to the effort of assisting this country that has been invaded by our (the West’s) second most powerful nemesis. For those of us that have, it’s not “bizarre” to take some pride in seeing our Allies succeed. 
 

Just because you’ve been hiding behind the flaming dildo shield of AETC (where your only “enemy” is some mythical timeline) doesn’t mean we’ve all been hiding there. 

[ClearedHot]

55 minutes ago, Lawman said:

Compare that to recent videos of Ukrainian combat footage using platoon and company sized Armored elements in effective combined arms maneuver because we’ve been training them. The Uke’s didn’t start the war capable of that across much of their formations. Mostly individual armored vehicles as supporting assault guns or ambush. Maybe you’d see a platoon but their movement was uncoordinated and sequencing was staggered so like a series of individual punches and not the synchronized sledgehammer that Armor and combined mech infantry functions as when used effectively.

They are growing as a force, and use of western Tanks and IFVs is allowing survivability and carrying lessons to the next fight of the trained soldiers. That’s not something the Russians are getting.

They are still Fires centric where we model off maneuver and I doubt that will ever change for them either culturally or looking at economy of force.


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Concur and it will be see how the Orcs respond.  Combined arms is a multiplier on the battlefield and something the Russian do very poorly, it at all.  It looks like a deal is almost done to get them more funding which will make the spring very interesting.

[BashiChuni]

58 minutes ago, ViperStud said:

 

Just because you’ve been hiding behind the flaming dildo shield of AETC (where your only “enemy” is some mythical timeline) doesn’t mean we’ve all been hiding there. 

stunning and brave. single mission air medal for you.

[Lawman]

Concur and it will be see how the Orcs respond.  Combined arms is a multiplier on the battlefield and something the Russian do very poorly, it at all.  It looks like a deal is almost done to get them more funding which will make the spring very interesting.

The thing is the Russians are following their doctrine for the purpose of the way they wrote it to match equipment and recent fights.

They leveraged IFVs and put bigger guns on BTRs on purpose to fight mounted with little Infantry both to achieve shock value of action because of speed mounted vs dismounted and to make up the value of having a conscript heavy force. They’ve never thought they would need it because they were supposed to follow the principle of annihilation fires followed by maneuver to the objective. It worked against Syrians for the last decade so they embraced it into their system because “this is way better than Chechnya!”

They’re also learning the hard way that the battalion tactical group also worked great…… in Syria… and it has no place in LSCO because it lacks the ass to achieve and exploit the offense. We already figured that out and have been working away from it for the last ten years.


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[ViperStud]

I think I struck a nerve with Bashi, she’s lashing out at me. 

Don’t get me wrong AETC-types, there’s nothing bad with doing the heavy lifting of instructing. I do it. I argue there’s something bad with getting so caught up in that environment that you lose sight of what’s going on in the MAF/CAF worlds. Even if family makes long deployments untenable, there are a lot of meaningful PACAF and USAFE TDYs that can keep you grounded. Take part, lest you lose touch and become a dinosaur. 

[LookieRookie]

38 minutes ago, ViperStud said:

I think I struck a nerve with Bashi, she’s lashing out at me. 

Don’t get me wrong AETC-types, there’s nothing bad with doing the heavy lifting of instructing. I do it. I argue there’s something bad with getting so caught up in that environment that you lose sight of what’s going on in the MAF/CAF worlds. Even if family makes long deployments untenable, there are a lot of meaningful PACAF and USAFE TDYs that can keep you grounded. Take part, lest you lose touch and become a dinosaur. 

I understand what you’re saying, but you aren’t some bastion of geopolitical wisdom.

You thought Libya was a US win and there was an active nuclear program (there wasn’t). It is a failed state and a breeding ground for terrorism.

[ViperStud]

17 minutes ago, LookieRookie said:

I understand what you’re saying, but you aren’t some bastion of geopolitical wisdom.

You thought Libya was a US win and there was an active nuclear program (there wasn’t). It is a failed state and a breeding ground for terrorism.

Context matters, brah. That was in response to Bashi’s claim that we haven’t seen a military W since WW2. OD was a military win, an UN-sanctioned one at that, even if that shitshow country remains a shitshow. Thankfully no one tried to nation-build there, considering how well it was going in Iraq and Afghanistan. 

[BashiChuni]

1 hour ago, ViperStud said:

I think I struck a nerve with Bashi, she’s lashing out at me. 

Don’t get me wrong AETC-types, there’s nothing bad with doing the heavy lifting of instructing. I do it. I argue there’s something bad with getting so caught up in that environment that you lose sight of what’s going on in the MAF/CAF worlds. Even if family makes long deployments untenable, there are a lot of meaningful PACAF and USAFE TDYs that can keep you grounded. Take part, lest you lose touch and become a dinosaur. 

not at all, i'm just admiring your stunning bravery! like a peacock strutting at the zoo!

[BashiChuni]

53 minutes ago, ViperStud said:

Context matters, brah. That was in response to Bashi’s claim that we haven’t seen a military W since WW2.

we haven't. korea? no. vietnam? no. Gulf War 1? no. GWOT? lol. Libya? Syria? Somalia?

post WW-II American foreign policy has been a disaster and it's not even close.

[DSG]

Just now, BashiChuni said:

we haven't. korea? no. vietnam? no. Gulf War 1? no. GWOT? lol. Libya? Syria? Somalia?

post WW-II American foreign policy has been a disaster and it's not even close.

The greatest squandered hand in world history.  

[BashiChuni]

2 hours ago, ViperStud said:

 there are a lot of meaningful PACAF and USAFE TDYs that can keep you grounded. Take part, lest you lose touch and become a dinosaur. 

tell me more about these brave TDYs to Germany! omfg 🤣

[BashiChuni]

in all seriousness viperSTUD (so hot), i hope you find the WW3 you are looking for. no doubt i wish you the best success (seriously). I, however, would prefer to not have a direct engagement with the Russians. Crazy i know.

[ViperStud]

49 minutes ago, BashiChuni said:

tell me more about these brave TDYs to Germany! omfg 🤣

You’re right…rather than contribute to anything relevant to current ops, keep focusing on TP stalls and RCP landing currency. Who’s out of touch?

 

You’re wrong about Korea and the Gulf War, BTW. SK is a top-15 economy and ranks fairly high on many QOL indices. But, that doesn’t fit in a one-liner that your brain can process so call it a loss. Gulf1 - did the coalition reach its objective (and the UN’s mandate) that Iraq withdraw all forces from Kuwait?
 

Edited January 19, 2024 by ViperStud
Bashi is a dumbass

[Lawman]

The greatest squandered hand in world history.  

The longest continual span of human prosperity in recorded modern history?

You know we doubled the average human lifespan since WWII right?


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[BashiChuni]

17 minutes ago, Lawman said:

The longest continual span of human prosperity in recorded modern history?

You know we doubled the average human lifespan since WWII right?


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you're moving the goalposts. the argument is clearly defined as post WWII american military conflicts resulting in victory.

[BashiChuni]

51 minutes ago, ViperStud said:

You’re right…rather than contribute to anything relevant to current ops, keep focusing on TP stalls and RCP landing currency. Who’s out of touch?

 

You’re wrong about Korea and the Gulf War, BTW. SK is a top-15 economy and ranks fairly high on many QOL indices. But, that doesn’t fit in a one-liner that your brain can process so call it a loss. Gulf1 - did the coalition reach its objective (and the UN’s mandate) that Iraq withdraw all forces from Kuwait?
 

brother at some point the flaming train ride will end for you too...it's just a part of life. i wish you a successful and happy career, but more importantly a happy life after it ends. cheers!

ps the korean war never ended. hardly a victory in my book.

Edited January 19, 2024 by BashiChuni

[Lawman]

you're moving the goalposts. the argument is clearly defined as post WWII american military conflicts resulting in victory.

Something like 60 million dead between combat and civilian casualties…

Yeah we should really feel bad about “losing” since then.

You’re a loon to think we have anything to apologize for in the status quo that was maintained between then and here. Especially if you go full nationalist view point and only care about the cost in lives to the worlds only remaining super power.

We won the last 70 years, you’re attempt to try and define it by losses in small scale conflicts is just more of you trying to find a way to explain how the sky is falling.


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[ViperStud]

 

8 hours ago, BashiChuni said:

tell me more about these brave TDYs to Germany! omfg 🤣

You were the one literally scoffing, and laughing, at dudes contributing to current ops. If you’re content burying yourself in trainers, good for you - but belittling those who want to do that AND/OR stay relevant in our country’s current military ops, that reeks of insecurity.

I stand by my comment (like many) you refuse to address - it isn’t “bizarre” to be happy about seeing the people we’ve trained and advised firsthand experiencing success. You dismiss that as a bunch of dudes sitting in their parents’ basements cheering for Russian casualties while watching Red Dawn and Rocky IV on repeat. Again, that reeks of insecurity.

 

[DSG]

9 hours ago, Lawman said:

The longest continual span of human prosperity in recorded modern history?

You know we doubled the average human lifespan since WWII right?


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And?

[ClearedHot]

Both sides continue to pay a terrible price. 

The Russians have long been masters of propaganda, but they have not embraced social media at the same level as the Ukrainians.  There are hundreds if not thousands of videos like the one below showing the lethal effects of small drones and air dropped munitions.  I hope the lads and lasses in the five sided building have been paying attention.

 

 

[Lawman]

And?

What do you think set global conditions to stabilize and evolve enough to allow that?

Exactly what did we squander?


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[BashiChuni]

2 hours ago, ViperStud said:

 

You were the one literally scoffing, and laughing, at dudes contributing to current ops. If you’re content burying yourself in trainers, good for you - but belittling those who want to do that AND/OR stay relevant in our country’s current military ops, that reeks of insecurity.

I stand by my comment (like many) you refuse to address - it isn’t “bizarre” to be happy about seeing the people we’ve trained and advised firsthand experiencing success. You dismiss that as a bunch of dudes sitting in their parents’ basements cheering for Russian casualties while watching Red Dawn and Rocky IV on repeat. Again, that reeks of insecurity.

 

"Just because you’ve been hiding behind the flaming dildo shield of AETC (where your only “enemy” is some mythical timeline) doesn’t mean we’ve all been hiding there."

who was belittling who? haha. it is bizarre to be war thirsty. war sucks and we shouldn't want to escalate anything into WW3 that's just insane. and i'm very secure in myself, my career, and post career. very happy too! hope you find happiness as well!

[BashiChuni]

58 minutes ago, Lawman said:

What do you think set global conditions to stabilize and evolve enough to allow that?

Exactly what did we squander?


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tens of thousands of American lives for useless wars. that enough for you?

[ViperStud]

20 minutes ago, BashiChuni said:

Words

Correct, I am 💯 belittling dudes who hide in AETC while simultaneously burying their head in the sand WRT current ops and playing apologist for everything America does.

It’s possible to be an instructor and stay relevant. That’s what I, and so many bros at my unit, have done. I’m also accruing airline seniority while I do it. I’m happy AF, thanks, mostly because I’m not a one-trick pony. 
 

ETA: Pride in the success of our allies does not equal blood thirst. You live in a world of false dichotomies where the truth must boil down to a bumper sticker slogan. Improve your critical thinking and communication skills if you want to have meaningful adult conversations. 

Edited January 19, 2024 by ViperStud

[BashiChuni]

good i'm glad. no one is burying their head in the sand. you're confusing a dissenting opinion with ignorance.

https://news.yahoo.com/nato-warns-war-russia-next-215119896.html

"On Thursday, David Cameron warned against 1930s-style appeasement of Vladimir Putin and promised Britain would     keep supporting Ukraine in the “struggle of our generation”.

The Foreign Secretary urged Britain’s allies not to push for peace talks between Kyiv and Moscow, arguing that unifying behind Ukraine was the best way to end the war."

 

this is dangerous and will only lead to escalation. ukraine cannot defeat russia. we need to be encouraging peace talks NOT stonewalling them. what's the alternative? escalation. that's not in the best interest of the united states.