Breckey Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Looks like it still has better performance than a 58D 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Griswold Posted June 8, 2017 Author Share Posted June 8, 2017 V tail for Griswold The illegitimate love child of a Hornet and Freedom FighterSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panchbarnes Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 9 hours ago, Lawman said: While we are laughing at Iran.... What happens when you get way too drunk watching Blue Thunder and get ideas to upgrade your Bell 206. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I'm assuming they missed Airwolf, otherwise CENTCOM would be dealing supersonic Jet Rangers equipped with retractable chain-guns and A/A A/G projectile launchers menacing all over strait of Hormuz. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Griswold Posted June 9, 2017 Author Share Posted June 9, 2017 Advanced turboprop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stitch Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 18 hours ago, Clark Griswold said: Advanced turboprop McDonnell World War II XP-67 back from the dead... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Griswold Posted June 9, 2017 Author Share Posted June 9, 2017 McDonnell World War II XP-67 back from the dead... Yup - definitely inspired by the MoonbatSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stitch Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 52 minutes ago, Clark Griswold said: Yup - definitely inspired by the Moonbat Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Maybe with modern turbo props and composite construction it just may work this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FourFans Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 https://futurism.com/lockheed-confirms-secretive-sr-72-hypersonic-plane-will-be-made/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Griswold Posted June 10, 2017 Author Share Posted June 10, 2017 17 hours ago, Stitch said: Maybe with modern turbo props and composite construction it just may work this time. Yup Article on the 'bat: http://www.airspacemag.com/history-of-flight/too-hot-to-handle-mcdonnell-xp-67-moonbat-67265978/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Griswold Posted June 10, 2017 Author Share Posted June 10, 2017 Concept Spaceplane http://bristolspaceplanes.com/projects/ascender/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Griswold Posted June 17, 2017 Author Share Posted June 17, 2017 Low-Cost Attritable Aircraft (RPA) http://warisboring.com/the-u-s-air-forces-next-killer-drone-is-disposable/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FourFans Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 Low-Cost Attritable Aircraft (RPA)http://warisboring.com/the-u-s-air-forces-next-killer-drone-is-disposable/One small step for man, on giant leap for Skynet. Sent from my iPad using Baseops Network Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Griswold Posted June 18, 2017 Author Share Posted June 18, 2017 7 hours ago, FourFans130 said: One small step for man, on giant leap for Skynet. Sent from my iPad using Baseops Network Forums Inevitable that some part of operations / combat become fully autonomous (once released for the mission). On the topic of concept RPAs / UAVs...vaporware but a reasonable extrapolation of the MQ-1/9/X series... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Griswold Posted June 18, 2017 Author Share Posted June 18, 2017 FSW F-35 vaporware Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breckey Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 There goes a lot of the LO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Griswold Posted June 18, 2017 Author Share Posted June 18, 2017 There goes a lot of the LO.YupWatched a presentation on FSW / X-29 from one of the retired test pilots - he addressed that a little and thought / said LO and FSW probably didn't work together Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawman Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Yup Watched a presentation on FSW / X-29 from one of the retired test pilots - he addressed that a little and thought / said LO and FSW probably didn't work together Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Not only that. In the 30 years since FSW designs were being tested our knowledge and effective usage of fly by wire coupled with computer aided flight management systems has moved way forward. If the idea is to build an inherently unstable airframe because that's the only way to make in maneuverable and fly at high alpha we can make up much more of the margin between conventional and FS winged aircraft now that we have learned to make control surfaces work in a more concerted effort. Add thrust vectoring to the list and the juice on FSW just isn't worth the squeeze even if it does look sexy. Same reason you don't see a big barn door speed break on new designs. In the end I think FSW will go the same way as variable geometry. It's a neat way to accomplish something and cutting edge for its time but their are less demanding ways with less accompanying negatives out there to achieve similar results. We've come a long way with our understanding of what was only theoretical 30-40 years ago. I'd be real interested to look forward another 40 years and see how much different the evolutionary line goes from F-86 to F-15 to Raptor to god knows what.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Griswold Posted June 19, 2017 Author Share Posted June 19, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Lawman said: ...In the end I think FSW will go the same way as variable geometry. It's a neat way to accomplish something and cutting edge for its time but their are less demanding ways with less accompanying negatives out there to achieve similar results. Yup, well said. The test pilot (Kurt Schroeder) said pretty much the same thing. Good technology but not needed. Presentation here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOmvrk3LPGc FSW research accomplished its goal, proved it was viable / gathered data, but FSW deployment became unnecessary due to advances in other areas / change in the operational environment. Still an interesting concept and with its low speed capability, surprised it was never proposed for carrier aircraft. But ask and Google sometimes provides interesting vaporware... Edited June 19, 2017 by Clark Griswold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Griswold Posted June 22, 2017 Author Share Posted June 22, 2017 Early Gripen design: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
di1630 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 If you see a design with tails, ignore it, it won't be the future of fighters as long as stealth is desired. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Griswold Posted June 23, 2017 Author Share Posted June 23, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, di1630 said: If you see a design with tails, ignore it, it won't be the future of fighters as long as stealth is desired. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums Copy that NG proposed design and article on 6 gen Fat and flat is the new hotness Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Add ons, more 5+ / 6 gen vaporware but plausible: Edited June 24, 2017 by Clark Griswold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Griswold Posted June 25, 2017 Author Share Posted June 25, 2017 5 hours ago, di1630 said: Hmmm, just a guess of course photos 1 and 5 could be very close to plausible ... Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums Agreed and those were interesting programs/ideas, good stuff either gets built or the LL get rolled into another program(s). Another pic of this concept: Would need to "smoothed" out and joined for one continuous edge from fuselage to wing tip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Griswold Posted June 26, 2017 Author Share Posted June 26, 2017 Next Gen Helicopter: http://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/g2988/bell-concept-helicopter/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Man Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 On 6/24/2017 at 3:50 PM, di1630 said: Check out the x-36 subscale program...highly successful testbed, abruptly cancelled...why?.....you can take it from there. I'm too dumb and can't...why would they cancel it if it was successful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Griswold Posted June 26, 2017 Author Share Posted June 26, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Day Man said: I'm too dumb and can't...why would they cancel it if it was successful? NASA program - too good for a civilian controlled program with military application - gobbled up by DoD to prevent inadvertent data dissemination That would be my guess - no first hand knowledge Edited June 26, 2017 by Clark Griswold caveat emptor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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