FY 14 Force Management Program (RIF, VSP, TERA)

[Disco_Nav963]

Still appears to be zero 11Bs approved for VSP with UPT ADSC (awaiting year group info for the Exec at Minot, I suppose). One 11B approved for PC.

Young Major, not sure the YG, but very likely little UPT ADSC left if at all. Point taken.

[chizz]

so base mpf is saying no 20 days of PTDY with VSP...anyone else dealing with that? even though the q&a, psdm, and afi say we get it?

tell them to call the lady I quoted

[Radio]

I would also like to know if I am still eligible for FY14 palace chase since the email said I am no longer eligible for FY14 voluntary programs.

I sent the following to the TFSC today, it is listed as "elevated" now. not sure the source data is 100% correct, but looks like no more 11B's were selected regardless of the matrix numbers.

"How is it that zero 11B's are getting approved for separation on this final round? Your matrix had multiple 11B's in several different year groups still remaining, how can you say you met your quota without approving anyone?? Are you looking for IG complaints? is there an appeal process for VSP disapprovals??"

I submitted an IG complaint against AFPC last year. Don't expect much.

First I spoke with my base IG and he thought there were clearly problems with the way AFPC was manipulating my records. He had to refer my complaint to AFPC's IG. I was in his office when called his counterpart at AFPC's IG and told her how important it was for them to discuss the case with me after they received my complaint form. My local IG assured me AFPC's IG would call me within 48 hours.

A week passed without them calling me. I called them and they said they would be in touch. Three weeks passed without them calling me, and I called them again. They said they were done investigating my case and had found my complaint had no merit.

I could have referred the complaint to HHQ but instead I applied for voluntary separation the first chance I got.

[chizz]

if its supposed to be on your orders and isnt I would ask for an amendment. PTDY NOW AUTHORIZED FOR VOLUNTARY SEPARATEES IMPACTED BY FORCE MANAGEMENT. DoDI 1327.06 has been updated to reflect the entitlement of Permissive TDY

for ALL separatees impacted by force management programs (use batch updated matrix).

[Fozzy Bear]

Just returned from TDY.

11S, 2004 year group

VSP denied because they had filled their quota for my year group/ AFSC.

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[BoneIP]

I hope she doesn't make you cry during the interview like she did to Oprah; or your career then takes the path of the two F-22 whistleblowers.

Ha! My career is nominally important to me, the fact that doing my primary duty well (flying and teaching others to fly) is second to volunteering to head up a change of command in a rack and stack already determined that... Although making a media storm is tempting, ruining a bunch of active duty folks' morale and welfare just isn't catchy enough in today's media...

I submitted an IG complaint against AFPC last year. Don't expect much.

First I spoke with my base IG and he thought there were clearly problems with the way AFPC was manipulating my records. He had to refer my complaint to AFPC's IG. I was in his office when called his counterpart at AFPC's IG and told her how important it was for them to discuss the case with me after they received my complaint form. My local IG assured me AFPC's IG would call me within 48 hours.

A week passed without them calling me. I called them and they said they would be in touch. Three weeks passed without them calling me, and I called them again. They said they were done investigating my case and had found my complaint had no merit.

I could have referred the complaint to HHQ but instead I applied for voluntary separation the first chance I got.

I recognize the fultility of the IG complaint system, the problem with big blue is there is no accountability for AFPC, but we have flushed that out here already. My words carry little weight, but they have elevated my case to the office of primary responsibility... a reasonable, thought out answer would be helpful, so I doubt I will ever hear anything.

[Swizzle]

3 x 11S, H9 were approved, 06-08' yr grps

[tunes]

it says orders will be cut 90 days prior to separation....what if i'm going on terminal 110 days prior? Can i get my orders before I go on terminal? Mainly asking because i need the orders to break my lease in august...landlord is already notified but property manager wants orders.

Edited May 24, 2014 by tunes

[pawnman]

it says orders will be cut 90 days prior to separation....what if i'm going on terminal 110 days prior? Can i get my orders before I go on terminal? Mainly asking because i need the orders to break my lease in august...landlord is already notified but property manager wants orders.

Letter in lieu of orders. I haven't had an issue so far.

[BamaC-21]

it says orders will be cut 90 days prior to separation....what if i'm going on terminal 110 days prior? Can i get my orders before I go on terminal? Mainly asking because i need the orders to break my lease in august...landlord is already notified but property manager wants orders.

My orders were complete 4 days after finishing the pre-separation worksheet. I couldn't believe it.

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[mamrotu73]

My orders were complete 4 days after finishing the pre-separation worksheet. I couldn't believe it.

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Mine were ready the next day! But we have our own personnelist here.

And since I've just been lurking until now:

Approved

2006 11M (130H/T6)

3 years 8 months UPT ADSC waived

I had applied for voluntary separation under pregnancy/childbirth first, then applied for VSP as soon as that was denied. Apparently, it was not in the best interest of the AF to let me go in Feb for free, but it is to pay me to leave in July (and pay me to not fly while pregnant, be on maternity leave, then PTDY, and terminal leave in the meantime). I'd like to think someone at AFPC had my back by denying that first application, but I think I'd be giving them too much credit.

[StretchJr]

If anybody else is wondering, medical approvals are coming out today

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[BurgerKing_IsHiring]

VSP Approved

2005 11M

C-17 guy currently at the end of a gig at a UPT base

DOS 29 September

Was tasked with a 179 day deployment on 28 April, long after I had applied for VSP. When I originally got approved the VSP I was told I was off the hook for the deployment. Now, I am being told to keep spinning up for the deployment. FWIW, I have separation orders in my possession with the 29 September DOS. The deployment would get me back in February. Is there anyone else who is in a similar situation? Pretty sure this belongs in the WTF thread.

Thanks BODN for keeping me sane during this process, hopefully sanity will prevail here.

[nunya]

We have a couple guys currently deployed that were approved for VSP. So not the exact same, but close. They already moved their DOS to 4 months after they return. I think the window is you have to separate between 30 and 120 days after your return from your deployment.

[BuffandTexanDriver]

At ksps, 3 x 11Bs (52s) applied. 1 '05 approved and 1 '05 disapproved. 1 '04 passed over for major approved. None of them were buff IPs.

Edited May 28, 2014 by BuffandTexanDriver

[Nogs]

VSP Approved

2005 11M

C-17 guy currently at the end of a gig at a UPT base

DOS 29 September

Was tasked with a 179 day deployment on 28 April, long after I had applied for VSP. When I originally got approved the VSP I was told I was off the hook for the deployment. Now, I am being told to keep spinning up for the deployment. FWIW, I have separation orders in my possession with the 29 September DOS. The deployment would get me back in February. Is there anyone else who is in a similar situation? Pretty sure this belongs in the WTF thread.

Thanks BODN for keeping me sane during this process, hopefully sanity will prevail here.

Exact same boat here my friend. I even submitted a ticket w/TFSC in early May (before my VSP was adjudicated) asking if I needed to update my requested DOS (29 Sep) to after the deployment -the answer was "no, we'll do that if we need to when we process your application".

[stract]

VSP Approved

2005 11M

C-17 guy currently at the end of a gig at a UPT base

DOS 29 September

Was tasked with a 179 day deployment on 28 April, long after I had applied for VSP. When I originally got approved the VSP I was told I was off the hook for the deployment. Now, I am being told to keep spinning up for the deployment. FWIW, I have separation orders in my possession with the 29 September DOS. The deployment would get me back in February. Is there anyone else who is in a similar situation? Pretty sure this belongs in the WTF thread.

Thanks BODN for keeping me sane during this process, hopefully sanity will prevail here.

if you already have separation orders in hand, then your UDM needs to DAV code you since you're within 6 months of separation.

Edited May 29, 2014 by stract

[Guest nsplayr]

Is there some kind of requirement that you cannot deploy w/in 6 months (or some arbitrary timeframe) or is it just that you can't be forced to do so?

[stract]

you can't be forced to. If you want to, then have a nut, if you don't, then make sure they put the DAV code against you and don't sign a DAV waiver.

[trav8933]

2005 11M VSP Approved

I just spoke with my Commander and he mentioned that the AF is discussing allowing VSP'ers to stay on AD until Mar-Apr to ease the pain. Has anyone else heard this?

[tunes]

So question about leave...just want to make sure my finance is telling me the right thing. My ptdy is set to end on July 5. They are saying I have to start my terminal on July 6 and can't wait until July 8 the first duty day to take my terminal and then sell back 2 days

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[SPiF]

Correct. It's in the reg somewhere, but the PTDY taken as part of "terminal leave" or in conjunction with it, so as soon as one ends you start the other one.. even if it's a weekend/holiday/etc.. Mainly meant to keep someone from taking leave up until Friday, then not taking leave the weekend, and going back on leave Monday.

[Skitzo]

you can't be forced to. If you want to, then have a nut, if you don't, then make sure they put the DAV code against you and don't sign a DAV waiver.

Wow. Really? I know some people who are definitely not volunteering to deploy within their 6 months prior to sep.

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[Kitten Mittens]

Guys posting recent VSP approvals...are these still trickling in from the first round when it closed 1 May or are these the new Fy15 VSPs already getting responses? I assume it's the former, but if it's under the new one that opened 22 May I better get on it!

[jrobe]

https://www.jqpublic-blog.com/bait-n-switch-part-duh-afpc-changes-vsp-rules-feed-obese-deployment-machine/

Things that make.you go WTF

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