FlyFastLiveSlow Posted March 24, 2014 Posted March 24, 2014 Why would you call TFSC 10 times? I'm not sure what you think they would know about your case specifically. It's pretty clear that the people answering the phones are call-center type folks who operate as a first line of defense before you get forwarded to the actual office of responsibility. Was this seriously not obvious to you? I disagree. I've called multiple times. I'm not mean to the call center person, but I do ask tough questions. I call and am on speakerphone hold for 20 minutes while surfing the net. I hope those phones ring constantly. Waiting until 1 Apr for something that's going to affect the rest of your life is stupid. If you want to go that route because someone wrote that in a PSDM fine, but that's not the right answer for me. If nobody complains, then leadership thinks everything is going great. I wish there was more I could do, but I doubt I'll receive a customer satisfaction survey.
panchbarnes Posted March 24, 2014 Posted March 24, 2014 I'm blown away that an organization, like AFPC the Air Force, thinks its OK to leave it's service members, in the dark. Communication, even at basic level, revealing reasonable expectations would cover a multitude of sins. HAF/A1 & AFPC Air Force-If you're listening, you can't leave your service members, in the dark, with only the Air Force Times and Forums to make sense of the rest of their lives, it breeds contempt. I don't expect perfection, I expect communication and I'm tired of waiting in the dark. With every moment that passes, I can't wait to take my skills elsewhere, where I won't be treated like I'm sitting at the kiddie table. FIFY Unfortunately, my experience makes me believe it's an Air Force-wide cultural issue.
aerobat95 Posted March 24, 2014 Posted March 24, 2014 So under the updated PSDM there is yet another IRR agreement/SOU and this says in section e where it talks about disability it has in yellow "(SUSPENDED) Per SecAF memorandum, dated 17 Oct 2007, the requirement to recoup VSP from disability compensation benefits awarded by the Department of Veterans Affairs is waived". What exatly does this mean? If I were to get VSP and have disability I would not have to wait 10 years till I could start collecting? Also does this require me to upload yet another IRR agreement/SOU?
HoHum Posted March 24, 2014 Posted March 24, 2014 So under the updated PSDM there is yet another IRR agreement/SOU and this says in section e where it talks about disability it has in yellow "(SUSPENDED) Per SecAF memorandum, dated 17 Oct 2007, the requirement to recoup VSP from disability compensation benefits awarded by the Department of Veterans Affairs is waived". What exatly does this mean? If I were to get VSP and have disability I would not have to wait 10 years till I could start collecting? Also does this require me to upload yet another IRR agreement/SOU? No. It's just saying if you get disability, it will not be used to recoup VSP. Retirement - yes, Disability - no. //Break// Every time I log into myPers and see that there's even less info than before...
Catbox Posted March 24, 2014 Posted March 24, 2014 Just logged in after getting back from leave. My CDB has a 1405 date of 29 Jun 1998. Does this roughly jive with what others TERA dudes are seeing?
Mountain Posted March 24, 2014 Posted March 24, 2014 Just logged in after getting back from leave. My CDB has a 1405 date of 29 Jun 1998. Does this roughly jive with what others TERA dudes are seeing? Yup. Mine showed up last week. 1 July 1998.
NotADude Posted March 24, 2014 Posted March 24, 2014 I don't expect perfection, I expect communication and I'm tired of waiting in the dark. Sadly, I no longer expect even base competence by anyone working in personnel (or finance, for that matter.) Instead, I'm pleasantly surprised when it appears the person I'm talking with is even familiar with an applicable AFI.
jstarsshag Posted March 24, 2014 Posted March 24, 2014 Yea, I've got a 1405 date 6 Apr 1997... I was wondering if this was a sign... I know they use the 1405 to calculate retirement pay, my hope is this is a step in the right direction. If they can populate that date then why is it so hard to keep us informed. My family is about done living in limbo.... (TERA 11R 2001 yr group)
shweaty Posted March 24, 2014 Posted March 24, 2014 Anyone with a subscription to the AF Times read the FY 15 force management article? Wondering what it said. I'm hoping we don't get pushed until then for VSP.
Catbox Posted March 24, 2014 Posted March 24, 2014 Yea, I've got a 1405 date 6 Apr 1997... I was wondering if this was a sign... I know they use the 1405 to calculate retirement pay, my hope is this is a step in the right direction. If they can populate that date then why is it so hard to keep us informed. My family is about done living in limbo.... (TERA 11R 2001 yr group) After 15.5 years in the Air Force, my reservoirs of hope and optimism are completely drained but I don't think AFPC would be calculating retirement pay on a whim. Huge knock on wood!
shweaty Posted March 24, 2014 Posted March 24, 2014 I paid the 99cents for the one day subscription to AF times. Per the AF times review of congressional budget documents for Force Management. "Air force expects to pay $81.6 million to 560 officers taking TERA, or 15 yr retirements. Another 1,137 officers will receive $108.8 million in voluntary separation payments this year. The Air Force has not budgeted for officer TERA or VSP in 2015, suggesting the service does not expect to offer these programs again next year to officers." Hopefully this means we will get an answer before the next fiscal year. 1
C-21.Pilot Posted March 24, 2014 Posted March 24, 2014 The Air Force has not budgeted for officer TERA or VSP in 2015, suggesting the service does not expect to offer these programs again next year to officers." That's a poor suggestion. I'm sure it means that they want to clarify/finish FY14. I'll speculate that the programs will continue to be open for the next 3-4 years, but the AF will manage their numbers more efficiently than what has gone on here.
HoHum Posted March 24, 2014 Posted March 24, 2014 The Air Force has not budgeted for officer TERA or VSP in 2015, suggesting the service does not expect to offer these programs again next year to officers. SecAF said there would be boards next year, but nobody would go to two involuntary boards unless they had disciplinary problems. So.....no VSP for '04 Majors next year? AF will still have to pay separation pay.
Skitzo Posted March 24, 2014 Posted March 24, 2014 I'll be UPT adsc complete at that point +/- a few months, imagine a fair amount of pilots would be too in my YG. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
panchbarnes Posted March 24, 2014 Posted March 24, 2014 (edited) I paid the 99cents for the one day subscription to AF times. Per the AF times review of congressional budget documents for Force Management. "Air force expects to pay $81.6 million to 560 officers taking TERA, or 15 yr retirements. Another 1,137 officers will receive $108.8 million in voluntary separation payments this year. The Air Force has not budgeted for officer TERA or VSP in 2015, suggesting the service does not expect to offer these programs again next year to officers." Hopefully this means we will get an answer before the next fiscal year. I just want to point out that at least one airman has resorted to paying a commercial media outlet to get clarity on the FY14 Force Management Program. This makes me really sad. Edited March 24, 2014 by PanchBarnes 2
chim richalds Posted March 24, 2014 Posted March 24, 2014 106 pages since the announcement came out. 0 VSP approvals thus far. I think we're all chasing our tails at this point.
shweaty Posted March 24, 2014 Posted March 24, 2014 (edited) Still awaiting air staff approval. I think the mypers line has caller ID because my calls now mysteriously disconnect when it's connecting me to the call center separations section. Edited March 24, 2014 by C17Jockey
LookieRookie Posted March 24, 2014 Posted March 24, 2014 https://www.armytimes.com/article/20140324/CAREERS/303240029
MC5Wes Posted March 25, 2014 Posted March 25, 2014 Hopefully they will a few bucks set aside to have a Civilian VERA.
cheezehed001 Posted March 25, 2014 Posted March 25, 2014 AFPC was working this weekend. I had an enlisted subordinate get approved for VSP on Saturday. I am still waiting, they approve a few this weekend and I guess are getting more enlisted VSPs done. Another guy called AFPC and they picked up on Saturday. Maybe they are working extra days to get the back log caught up.
shweaty Posted March 25, 2014 Posted March 25, 2014 (edited) Another guy called AFPC and they picked up on Saturday. Maybe they are working extra days to get the back log caught up. Were they calling the mypers separations hotline because they are available 24/7. The actual separations office where everything is being processed is a different number that mypers won't give out. Edited March 25, 2014 by C17Jockey
Altus Barbarosa Posted March 25, 2014 Posted March 25, 2014 We'll I have a 1405 service date loaded today. Was NA until now. Maybe things are going to start happening finally.
cheezehed001 Posted March 25, 2014 Posted March 25, 2014 Were they calling tho mypers separations hotline because they are available 24/7. The actual separations office where everything is being processed is a different number that mypers won't give out. Didn't know that, but enlisted VSP applications were processed on Saturday. Mine has been sitting at 'Refer to BPO' since 14 Jan, so I pray mine gets some attentions soon. I have my college application ready to click send, just need the AF to their part.
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