FY 14 Force Management Program (RIF, VSP, TERA)

[LettersVSandP]

don't worry, your time will come. I'm all for people applying....and i wish everyone got approved. It's just I don't want these people getting their hopes up since they haven't been denied yet. You probably do have less than me...but there were 2 guys at my base with under 10 months of UPT ADSC left that got the first batch of denials right along with me.

I'm an '05 11M that was in a UPT class full of '04 grads (i.e. I have a shorter ADSC than nearly everyone in my year group) and I was denied along with you.

Things might change if SecAF grants the waiver authority, but until then, you're right. Currently, I don't think AFPC or even CSAF have the statutory authority to waive UPT ADSCs.

[HeloDude]

(i.e. I have a shorter ADSC than nearly everyone in my year group)

I think you are trying to say that you have an ADSC that will be completed before most other pilots in your same year group. Everyone receives the same 10 year ADSC for UPT...yours wouldn't the shorter or longer.

[Jaded]

Things might change if SecAF grants the waiver authority, but until then, you're right. Currently, I don't think AFPC or even CSAF have the statutory authority to waive UPT ADSCs.

You think the roadblock is the SecAF? Really?

Like someone else in this thread said, it would take one phone call to get this authority if AFPC actually knew how many pilots it can cut.

[shweaty]

I'm an '05 11M that was in a UPT class full of '04 grads (i.e. I have a shorter ADSC than nearly everyone in my year group) and I was denied along with you.

Things might change if SecAF grants the waiver authority, but until then, you're right. Currently, I don't think AFPC or even CSAF have the statutory authority to waive UPT ADSCs.

What do you even base that off of. How would CSAF not have waiver authority? That makes zero sense.

[Fifty-six & Two]

What do you even base that off of. How would CSAF not have waiver authority? That makes zero sense.

Well since you seem to think you are the expert on this entire process, why don't you tell us who does have the waiver authority. Easy for you to sit there and say something makes zero sense when you aren't willing to back it up with any proof that the person is wrong.

[LettersVSandP]

You think the roadblock is the SecAF? Really?

Like someone else in this thread said, it would take one phone call to get this authority if AFPC actually knew how many pilots it can cut.

I think SecAF is considering it. The conversation and paperwork are trivial. Actually approving it is a significant decision given that billions of training dollars would be walking out the door. It seems that a new political appointee might not want to have that decision on her record if there's a pilot shortage in five years.

[zmoney]

That training cost is already spent. The current budget issue is that we're overmanned and we can't spend that extra O&M money on payroll.

Either we're overmanned in those year groups, or we aren't. It doesn't matter what the training cost was.

[shweaty]

It's SECAF approval

[shweaty]

That training cost is already spent. The current budget issue is that we're overmanned and we can't spend that extra O&M money on payroll.

Either we're overmanned in those year groups, or we aren't. It doesn't matter what the training cost was.

Finally someone that isn't a negative Nancy. People at Altus are also putting in again for VSP that were previously denied after CSAF spoke to them. What do you have to loose?

If the SECAF says no to pilots with ADSC then oh well, however if Air Staff says yes then those people that reapplied will be very happy they did.

[chim richalds]

i guess that CSAF leadership by memo aint coming out today. Color me shocked.

[C-21.Pilot]

And all this time folks thought CSAF was the Messiah....

[BitteEinBit]

Come on...we all know memos like that only come out on Friday of a 3-day weekend

[MSCguy]

Come on...we all know memos like that only come out on Friday of a 3-day weekend

Or late Friday afternoon right before everyone takes off for two weeks of Xmas break.

[Mountain]

Any selectively continued TERA folks had their status change to "validation complete" yet?

[FLY6584]

tunes, don't let your readiness to file an IG complaint prevent someone else from applying because you think it's pointless. You don't have all the information. I have a UPT ADSC and I haven't been denied yet. I'm betting my ADSC expires before yours does.

I don't think it has anything to do with how long your ADSC is and has everything to do with when you submitted your application. I have people in my unit that put in for the VSP days after me who have longer ADSC's remaining yet theirs has not been denied, but mine has.

I got mine in 6min after the window opened and know others that have been denied that got theirs in right after the window opened also. My gut feeling is AFPC made a knee jerk reaction and started disapproving anyone with a remaining UPT ADSC starting with the first that applied and in that order and then they realized how long it was going to take and decided to standby on rejecting anymore until they got official word as to whether they even had to reject them or not.

If this is the case and they do get approval to waive UPT ADSC's and they all of a sudden start approving people with applications still remaining in the system and over the guys that originally had gotten their apps in first then we are looking at a huge IG complaint.

I'd be curious to hear when everyone got their application in that has already been denied. Like I said I got mine in at 0006CST on the 6th of February. Let's hear everyone's else's submission date/time and if you have been denied or not...

[FUSEPLUG]

I know a couple of guys who submitted within the first 6-9 minutes (not STS) after midnight. Neither has been denied. I finally got mine in around 9 am CST. Still not denied. They better hurry up and deny me, as I want to get that Palace Chase app in.

[casemac]

'07 11M submitted at 0006CST as well and mine has not been denied... yet

[chim richalds]

So who told them not to waive any adsc in the first place? And don't tell me 13-65, that doc doesn't mention vsp anywhere in it.

[ThreeHoler]

So who told them not to waive any adsc in the first place? And don't tell me 13-65, that doc doesn't mention vsp anywhere in it.

No, but it is called something like "FY14 Force Management Programs," so I'd say they didn't need to explicitly state it (but they should have stated that any VSP would have to meet LADSC waiver criteria).

[Shaft34]

Any selectively continued TERA folks had their status change to "validation complete" yet?

You still waiting for yours to change Mountain?

[jstarsshag]

I checked mine today and it was set to "FM validation complete" I have no clue what that means.... Could the finish line be near?

[North48]

Gator2-

I'm 99/11R, No ADSCs.

C17-

I spoke with the Retirements/Separations office. Keep in mind, I've had very little luck getting useful info from the AFPC customer service folks. It mostly soothes my need for an update which AFPC seems to consistently drop the ball on. Simply keeping me updated, would cover a multitude of sins.

[Fozzy Bear]

The 13-65 is more for ADSC waivers. And oh, btw, mind the SOU. I had to fill that one out as well. That makes 3 or 4. It also states we don't need to submit justification for ADSC waiver. PSDM 14-08 says the opposite

[tunes]

I don't think it has anything to do with how long your ADSC is and has everything to do with when you submitted your application. I have people in my unit that put in for the VSP days after me who have longer ADSC's remaining yet theirs has not been denied, but mine has.

I got mine in 6min after the window opened and know others that have been denied that got theirs in right after the window opened also. My gut feeling is AFPC made a knee jerk reaction and started disapproving anyone with a remaining UPT ADSC starting with the first that applied and in that order and then they realized how long it was going to take and decided to standby on rejecting anymore until they got official word as to whether they even had to reject them or not.

If this is the case and they do get approval to waive UPT ADSC's and they all of a sudden start approving people with applications still remaining in the system and fuck over the guys that originally had gotten their apps in first then we are looking at a huge IG complaint.

I'd be curious to hear when everyone got their application in that has already been denied. Like I said I got mine in at 0006CST on the 6th of February. Let's hear everyone's else's submission date/time and if you have been denied or not...

0003 CST for mine, was in the first batch of denials a few weeks ago. Everyone at my deployed location that submitted by 0300 CST got the denial in that batch as well.

[stract]

there's a rumor floating around on FB that the SNCO TERA first batch may be done, and to check to see if you have a Date of Separation loaded in vMPF as that may be an early indicator.