FY 14 Force Management Program (RIF, VSP, TERA)

[Nasty2004]

Took 42 minutes, but I'm in. Can't believe how painful that was. Or can I?

[Karl Hungus]

Can't wait to see how Liquid, Chang, et al try to spin this one. It's amazing how quickly you and your peers have driven this organization into the ground.

For all the young folks out there who read these boards and are thinking about a job as an AF aviator (and there are a TON of them), take note. Active duty is an incredibly toxic organization right now. Plan accordingly.

[Dubs]

FWIW, I just submitted my appliction (at 0200 CST) and received no errors and didn't have to reload the page a million times unlike the first go at this last month. If you're thinking about applying and are reading this right now, vMPF/MyPers seems fairly stable for now.

[Vetter]

This is fucking hilarious!

[Fifty-six & Two]

The more I think about this, the more pissed off I get.

How do they justify not waiving a single ######ing day of a 3650 day commitment? Even if an individual has 6 months left on their UPT commitment, they have served 95% of what they signed for and yet people are getting Palace Chase approved with over 4 years left on their ADSC ()...WHAT WHAT THE ######?!?!?!

This just absolutely blows my mind even though I know it really shouldn't.

Edited February 6, 2014 by Fifty-six & Two

[jackstone104]

So one thing I do not understand with regard to the guidance -

If they are doing these in monthly batches and the guidance in the updated 14-08 says:

"Commander:

a. Must make a recommendation in the commander’s justification portion of the web-based

on-line application no later than 1 May 14. Commanders must advise in the comment

portion of the on-line application of any condition which exists that renders the applicant

ineligible, i.e., officer is pending involuntary discharge, under investigation, under civil

charges, or pending disciplinary action.

b. No commander, supervisor, agency, unit, or organization is authorized to delay, divert or

disapprove applications under this program."

What is the definition of delay? If we submit today can he/she not take action until 1 May?

[tunes]

The more I think about this, the more pissed off I get.

How do they justify not waiving a single ######ing day of a 3650 day commitment? Even if an individual has 6 months left on their UPT commitment, they have served 95% of what they signed for and yet people are getting Palace Chase approved with over 4 years left on their ADSC ()...WHAT WHAT THE ######?!?!?!

This just absolutely blows my mind even though I know it really shouldn't.

i'm 99.5% positive we will be denied....but lets wait and see what happens...

i'd have applied for PC instead of this if I weren't deployed.

[bbj77]

I just got off of the phone with the total force service center and the gentleman I spoke to said to just apply and AFPC will figure it all out. He agreed that it was a little unclear about UPT ADSC but suggested to apply anyway and see what happens. I wish I were able to be this inconsistent and unprepared in my AF job like these clowns are.

[LookieRookie]

Oh boy you can't script drama this good.

[tunes]

my only thing with the UPT ADSC is almost every pilot they said is eligible for the voluntary programs have a ADSC due to UPT...so that in turn would mean no one is eligible...

[pawnman]

still applying. boss already has my cards as they told us to apply 3 days before the first window was set to open....so nothing to lose.

Well, the AF is in the market for another 92 missileers at Malmstrom...

[bbj77]

Has anyone received word if the LADSC waiver program is different from the VSP program? Specifically if the GI Bill ADSC note in the 13-65 about waiving the benefits applies to VSP people? It appears like VSP and LADSC waiver are two separate programs. If I give up my rights to the GI Bill benefits by applying for VSP, that is a pretty raw deal. I transfered my GI Bill benefits and my ADSC for that ends before my UPT commitment ends.

[FLY6584]

Has anyone received word if the LADSC waiver program is different from the VSP program? Specifically if the GI Bill ADSC note in the 13-65 about waiving the benefits applies to VSP people? It appears like VSP and LADSC waiver are two separate programs. If I give up my rights to the GI Bill benefits by applying for VSP, that is a pretty raw deal. I transfered my GI Bill benefits and my ADSC for that ends before my UPT commitment ends.

And that is exactly what I told the lady at the Total Force Service Center and she clarified that they are separate programs when it comes to GI Bill transferability and that if you VSP you will retain those benefits, but that the ADSC's waivers that apply to the LADSC are the same for the VSP. She could be wrong. It's not the first time a contractor has absolutely no idea what they are talking about, but then again we are hearing reports of SQ/CC's hearing the same thing from Commander Hotlines.

[chim richalds]

Has anyone received word if the LADSC waiver program is different from the VSP program? Specifically if the GI Bill ADSC note in the 13-65 about waiving the benefits applies to VSP people? It appears like VSP and LADSC waiver are two separate programs. If I give up my rights to the GI Bill benefits by applying for VSP, that is a pretty raw deal. I transfered my GI Bill benefits and my ADSC for that ends before my UPT commitment ends.

yes, i just read the pdsms, i cant see anywhere where it says vsp wont waive upt commitment.

[Tnkr]

Has anyone received word if the LADSC waiver program is different from the VSP program? Specifically if the GI Bill ADSC note in the 13-65 about waiving the benefits applies to VSP people? It appears like VSP and LADSC waiver are two separate programs. If I give up my rights to the GI Bill benefits by applying for VSP, that is a pretty raw deal. I transfered my GI Bill benefits and my ADSC for that ends before my UPT commitment ends.

FWIW, PSDM 13-130 attach 1 para 11 states that members separated by VSP with ADSC for post-9/11 GI Bill will be considered completed with their commitment. Obviously this is counter to PSDM 13-65 (I hate myself for knowing these numbers by heart but fly so rarely that I couldn't remember the normal left hydro qty yesterday) but when we all start filing FOIA requests to figure out if the website delay/time stamp mattered or IG complaints for not having ADSCs waived it may make a difference.

BTW, we used the naval observatory phone line to start submitting at the appointed time. Took 5:04 to finally get the website to properly open and submit. 2002 11M. Good luck to all.

[Bob]

This is ######ing hilarious!

Keep track of the call signs for the inevitable "trying to get back on active duty" thread in about 2 years

Edited February 6, 2014 by Bob

[BamaC-21]

After talking to my CC, he suggested to submit anyway and make them tell me no. It sounds like the mismanagement has been acknowledged at the wing level, so I figured F*ck it and put my name in the hat. I hate to have missed the midnight opening, but whatever. What a goat rope. '05 11M. Good luck.

[lossofclocklossofdata]

After talking to my CC, he suggested to submit anyway and make them tell me no. It sounds like the mismanagement has been acknowledged at the wing level, so I figured F*ck it and put my name in the hat. I hate to have missed the midnight opening, but whatever. What a goat rope. '05 11M. Good luck.

Trying to due the same, but unfortunately the healthcare.gov IT team that was hired by AFPC hasn't figured out how to fix a simple error that was identified on 14 Jan.

[MostlyDeployed]

Email from boss this AM

"Worried by something you saw on AFPC's website??

Names removed to protect the innocent and I'm including all our pilots for SA. AFPC put in a blurb about how UPT ADSCs make a person ineligible for VSP. We think that's probably a mistake since everyone in the 2007 year group still has an ADSC, but they have a target to let 20% of those folks leave AMC. OG recommends that you go ahead and send your request for VSP. We can always kill them or you can withdraw them if it turns out that we're wrong. Don't sweat not getting them in at 0001 this morning--AFPC (cue the disbelief, I know) plans to use ADSC, TOS, TIS, etc to determine, NOT the HH:MM:SS you submit. And they won't tell us otherwise anyway, so this may help you sleep better.
One of the questions I have to answer is that I have counseled you on all sorts of things like your plans and joining the reserves. Of those who got on my calendar, I am confident we covered all those bases. If we haven't spoken and you plan to submit, you need to call me."

- '06 11M

[Guest]

yes, i just read the pdsms, i cant see anywhere where it says vsp wont waive upt commitment.

Reference 14-08 attachment 2, paragraph 2b:

"If an officer has an ADSC, the applicant will provide justification for a waiver. See PDSM 13-65, FY 14 Ofiicer Voluntary Managememt Programs for list of current waiver able ADSCs"

UPT commitment not waiverable per 13-65= no VSP

[FLY6584]

Email from boss this AM

"Worried by something you saw on AFPC's website??

Names removed to protect the innocent and I'm including all our pilots for SA. AFPC put in a blurb about how UPT ADSCs make a person ineligible for VSP. We think that's probably a mistake since everyone in the 2007 year group still has an ADSC, but they have a target to let 20% of those folks leave AMC. OG recommends that you go ahead and send your request for VSP. We can always kill them or you can withdraw them if it turns out that we're wrong. Don't sweat not getting them in at 0001 this morning--AFPC (cue the disbelief, I know) plans to use ADSC, TOS, TIS, etc to determine, NOT the HH:MM:SS you submit. And they won't tell us otherwise anyway, so this may help you sleep better.

One of the questions I have to answer is that I have counseled you on all sorts of things like your plans and joining the reserves. Of those who got on my calendar, I am confident we covered all those bases. If we haven't spoken and you plan to submit, you need to call me."

- '06 11M

That's refreshing. That's the type of commander that will actually follow Air Force guidance to not hold it against anyone that applies for VSP and is subsequently denied. Wish there were more like him.

[BamaC-21]

Trying to due the same, but unfortunately the healthcare.gov IT team that was hired by AFPC hasn't figured out how to fix a simple error that was identified on 14 Jan.

My techniques were to keep hitting refresh and cursing at the screen. One of the two eventually worked.

[Bob]

That's refreshing. That's the type of commander that will actually follow Air Force guidance to not hold it against anyone that applies for VSP and is subsequently denied. Wish there were more like him.

It's also a foul to post it online word for word

Edited February 6, 2014 by Bob

[tunes]

Reference 14-08 attachment 2, paragraph 2b:

"If an officer has an ADSC, the applicant will provide justification for a waiver. See PDSM 13-65, FY 14 Ofiicer Voluntary Managememt Programs for list of current waiver able ADSCs"

UPT commitment not waiverable per 13-65= no VSP

so don't apply...

It's also a foul to post it online word for word

how so? no names included anywhere.

[Guest nsplayr]

Reading through that section of the PSDM, I didn't see a UNT/UCSOT (whatever the hell the CSO training is) caveat... so does that mean 12X's that were on the eligibility matrix still have a chance?

FWIW I'm applying for both VSP and Palace Chase even though I have a DOS set from the 7-day option. 2007 K12S3X with 9.6 months of nav school commitment remaining. Clearly the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing at AFPC so at this point I have absolutely nothing to lose by applying for all of the above and seeing what happens.

This is somehow a bigger debacle than I had imagined. for all the pilots especially who thought this was their ticket to early freedom.